Clinch is founded by two Oregon golfers, Matt Mahoney and Jason Desoldato, under the belief that there are better materials from which to make a golf glove. Jason worked for Nike and Burton and had extensive experience with innovative fabrics that help athletes overcome their challenges. Thus, Clinch was born. Clinch focuses on modern performance gloves designed to perform in rain or hot/humid weather. The Pacific Northwest is their home and proving ground - offering a diverse test from seaside mist to high desert heat. If it works there, it works anywhere. Their mission is to bring golfers an innovative product that performs in all conditions. Whether you’re grinding it out on tour or shooting to break 100, they have built this glove for you!
Clinch is founded by two Oregon golfers, Matt Mahoney and Jason Desoldato, under the belief that there are better materials from which to make a golf glove. Jason worked for Nike and Burton and had extensive experience with innovative fabrics that help athletes overcome their challenges. Thus, Clinch was born. Clinch focuses on modern performance gloves designed to perform in rain or hot/humid weather. The Pacific Northwest is their home and proving ground - offering a diverse test from seaside mist to high desert heat. If it works there, it works anywhere. Their mission is to bring golfers an innovative product that performs in all conditions. Whether you’re grinding it out on tour or shooting to break 100, they have built this glove for you!
Today we play golf. Let me show you how we do it in the pros. Welcome to Behind the Golf Brand podcast. I never missed with the Seven Iron , a conversation with some of the most interesting innovators and entrepreneurs behind the biggest names in golf. My friends were the golf clubs. I lived on the golf course, I lived on the driving rein from Pro Talk . You should learn something from each and every single round. You play to fun from on and off the green. Why would you play golf if you don't play it for money? Just let me put the ball in a hole. This is Behind the Golf Brand podcast with Paul Libert tore .
Speaker 2:What's up guys? Welcome to the Behind the Golf Brand podcast. This week I have my good friend Matt Mahoney from Clinch Golf . Clinch Golf is a golf glove brand that has recently come out the last couple years. It's a new type of technology and a new type of glove, which you're not really seeing. 'cause a lot of glove out there are been around for a hundred years and they fall apart all the same way. So it's really kind of cool to have Matt in the show talk about what they're doing, how they're different, and why you should check them out. So welcome to the show. Thanks
Speaker 1:Paul. Good to see you, bud.
Speaker 2:So where are you located?
Speaker 1:I am joining you from sunny Portland, Oregon today.
Speaker 2:Nice. Is it a nice day out there? It looks like it's a nice day out there.
Speaker 1:It it is. Yeah. It's lovely. It's like always
Speaker 2:Nice in Portland. Is when , is it ever not nice in Portland? Well,
Speaker 1:Six months of the year, we have six months of guaranteed good weather, and then we have six months of rain.
Speaker 2:So when's the rain season? Like what months is that
Speaker 1:Starts? It probably starts mid to late October, and
Speaker 2:Then it goes until April. Yeah .
Speaker 1:Rains
Speaker 2:And rains
Speaker 1:And rains. Yeah . April, may, sometimes through July 4th.
Speaker 2:Does there ever snow there?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Uh, we usually get one snowstorm a year comes, we get about an inch of snow, chaos . Chaos in the city. Uh ,
Speaker 2:What do we do ?
Speaker 1:And then it melts by noon. My , uh,
Speaker 2:That's like , I was in Arizona, we get like one rainstorm and everyone gets like, oh, what do we do? It's rain. Like, I don't know . I turned windshield wipers on. I wanna drive super slow on the streets . Like, dude, it's rain. Like, come on now. Yeah . Did you grow up in Oregon?
Speaker 1:I did not. I'm originally from Burlington, Vermont, where we have oh's considerably snow. Oh , that's ,
Speaker 2:That's really far from where, how you do Oregon?
Speaker 1:Well, my, my wife is from Portland, so I usually don't need to explain much further, but the , there
Speaker 2:You go.
Speaker 1:The sidebar to that is you can play 12 months of golf in Oregon and you certainly can't do that in New England where it came from.
Speaker 2:No, it's like, it's, yeah. Like you , what, three months? Maybe four if you're lucky.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. That might be a little extreme, but yeah, five , five good months. And that's it From
Speaker 2:Like, what, like June to maybe early October. Like
Speaker 1:September?
Speaker 2:Yeah . Yeah. That's like, everyone's like, oh, you live in Arizona . You could play golf all year round . I'm like, Hmm . Yeah, you can. But it's like, really? Rates don't go down now until the middle of May. And so you have May, June, July, August, it's like a thousand degrees outside, so you can play cheap golf, but it's so hot , like you're dying. And then they reseeded in October, so you can't play golf in October. And then it's like, rates go five times as much the rest of the year till like May again. But
Speaker 1:I guess <crosstalk> , yeah. I'll give you the true origin story of how I wound up in Portland. We were living in New England. My wife wanted to move home to be near her family. And I came on a trip in February and I snuck in a trip to abandoned dunes with some friends. Uh, and that's what, that's what sealed the deal for me.
Speaker 2:Really? You're like, oh, wait a minute. This is , well , if I can do this in February
Speaker 1:Doing , I can consider living here. Yeah .
Speaker 2:All right . So are you a golf professional?
Speaker 1:I am not, no. I am a just a golf, a avid golfer.
Speaker 2:What's your handicap?
Speaker 1:I am a 7.5. So
Speaker 2:You're good, dude, you , I'm a , I'm a
Speaker 1:15 . This is my , this is my line. This is what I say to people. I say, if you, if you suck at golf, you probably think I'm really good. But if you're really good at golf, you probably think I suck.
Speaker 2:That's true. That's very true. It's all perspective. Like, I never really had my handicap until like a year ago and I'm like, I'm really gonna figure this out. And I was terrible. Like a lot worse than I thought I was. And then like, I was a 24 and then I started practicing a lot and started getting lessons, and I got the right clubs, you know, the right length, the whole nine yards and all . Like, now I'm a like, I'm almost 15, 16 right now. I wanna get down to single digit, hopefully by the end of the year. I dunno if it's gonna happen, but that's my goal at least. Yeah. Or I'll do it next year. I don't know . It's just, it's possible. It's all about short game. I feel like really you can dial in your short game. Yeah. That's where it's , that
Speaker 1:Certainly helps. Yeah.
Speaker 2:How'd you get into golf? Like, did your family play a lot of golf or did your dad, or what's the story?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I grew up, my dad did play golf and attempted to get me into it when I was young, but it didn't really click for me. Um, you know , I learned to swing a little bit, but what's just into other sports? And it was really in my, my post-college years when I finally had some money coming in and some free time that , uh, I started golfing and had a good, good crew of buddies that were got into it at the same time and, and really caught it, caught the bug for it. Then in my, you know, sort of early to mid twenties.
Speaker 2:So you, you grew up in Vermont, right? So like, did you I did . You didn't play , did you play golf, like on the golf team, or you just kind of barely played and you're like out ? This is in my sport. Really, I don't really care.
Speaker 1:I played for , I played one year of golf my senior year on the golf team, but, you know, I was not, I was not a good golfer. And , uh, the , the golf team,
Speaker 2:Just , you made the team, bro. That's cool. Like, I, yeah.
Speaker 1:Making the team men show up , showing up in the cafeteria. Oh,
Speaker 2:That was like, all right . That was like , bro, my high school , like Cheez Revy went to my high school. Like, like my , it was like my , my , my dad was like, you need to practice more. I'm like, nah, I got this, I got this. And then I got just, I was like, okay, yeah, I gotta really take this seriously. And I'm like , I don't wanna do that. So whatever. I wish I did that . The only
Speaker 1:Claim to fame from my high school golf team is that , um, a friend of mine, Laddie Klein , we call him Laddie the Caddy, is now full-time on the p g a tour , um, and has made a living of it. So we're proud of him.
Speaker 2:Oh , that's cool. So you grew up in Vermont, did you , where did you go to college?
Speaker 1:I went to Champlain College, which is in Burlington, Vermont.
Speaker 2:And then what's your background? Like, what did you, what did you get your degree in? So ,
Speaker 1:Uh , business marketing. Yeah. And , uh, I've, I've, you know, sort of boringly, I've worked in banking most of my career , uh, which is , you know, you
Speaker 2:My wife does that. Okay. Keeps promoted . Yeah . When you got outta college then , like, what were you doing for banking, marketing ,
Speaker 1:Uh, you know, or
Speaker 2:Just business development
Speaker 1:Started entry level . Um, but I , I've always done a few things on the side as well and tried to scratch the entrepreneurial itch. Uh, but like
Speaker 2:What, like what was your first, what was your first entrepreneurial thing you did?
Speaker 1:Uh, well, I, I flipped a couple of houses with, with some friends. 'cause that was the trend back in, or the early
Speaker 2:2012 . Yeah ,
Speaker 1:Yeah .
Speaker 2:2010 , actually not back , like 2000 , like five , 2006 . Yeah . That was, you could make some good money doing flipping.
Speaker 1:I attempted to found a, a wristwatch brand. Uh, really,
Speaker 2:I
Speaker 1:Never went anywhere and floundered, but it was a big learning experience for me.
Speaker 2:So tell me about that. So like, what , how , how'd you even like come up with that idea?
Speaker 1:Uh, Fred and I had read an article about someone else that had done it, and we became convinced that, that we could emulate their success. And we put a bunch of time and the few bucks into it and , uh, got a bunch of product and created a , you know , website and whole story behind it.
Speaker 2:Oh , so where , get this product from, like overseas? Like some, some, like what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can, you know, you can source anything from overseas if you
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hard enough on Alibaba. And then
Speaker 2:You're like , so how many did you order when you first got your watches?
Speaker 1:Oh, I forget. Like, you know, 1500 watches or something like that. Oh,
Speaker 2:Jesus . That's so ,
Speaker 1:Took a bite off. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So how'd you try to sell 'em on your website? Or did you try <crosstalk> ? I
Speaker 1:Tried to sell 'em on my website with no real, you know, this is, this is back in two or 2008 or something , you know, like back before there were any sort of tools , <crosstalk> . So no
Speaker 2:Shopify, like a WordPress site
Speaker 1:There no tools to market it. There was no , um, you know, there was no , uh, meta to run ads on. And so we just , uh, was Yeah. Came to a grinding halt and liquidated our inventory. So, but good, good
Speaker 2:<crosstalk> . See , like , I feel like that's like, I love hearing these stories 'cause it's just like how, like, I feel like how you build, right? Like, you get , you learn something from that, okay. And then you tell the next one, oh, I learned something from that. And like, you might lose money, you might win whatever, not win, but like, make money and you kind of get to the right product. And that's the hard , I think it's the hardest part, right? Like figuring that, that process out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So what else, because you got a wristwatch company, then what happened? What else you got? So
Speaker 1:Then, you know, back to banking and , uh, you know, starting a family and just, you know, grinding it out for, for several years of just , uh, you know, being a career man.
Speaker 2:So then what year did you guys move to Oregon?
Speaker 1:Uh, I moved to Oregon nine years ago. So that would've been around 2014, I believe it was
Speaker 2:13 .
Speaker 1:13 or 14 .
Speaker 2:And then that point, were you, is that you , you had already kind of bit the bug and you were saying like, you went to band and you were like completely blown away by it, and you're like, whoa ,
Speaker 1:I was blown away by it. Yes. And most I heard would understand. It's just , uh, it's a golf paradise.
Speaker 2:Why? For the people who haven't been there?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, it's , uh, you know, there are now , uh, five, you know, you know, terrific courses that are all, first of all, they're so distinct and different from the typical golf we play in the states, but they just create this unique experience. It's, you know, it's in the middle of nowhere. It , uh, Portland is the largest metro area to it, but it still takes me four hours to drive there. Um , really
Speaker 2:That far, really . I know
Speaker 1:It's truly remote. Yeah. Uh , but when you get there, it's, you know, it's turnkey. You can park your car, they shuttle you everywhere. Um, you're just totally taken care of. You're immersed in golf. Like, it's, it's, it's not a resort with, you know, like
Speaker 2:You have rules and kids running around everything ,
Speaker 1:All golf related. Um, but there's fantastic, when you're not playing golf, there's fantastic golf amenities. They've got the punch bowl , which is a giant putting green with severe undulations and a mobile bar cart. So you and your crew can , um, set up there, you know , put a few bucks on the putts. And , uh, there'll be, you know, in the, in the afternoon, if it's a sunny day, you'll have just hundreds of people out there , um, you know, have having a few, few , uh,
Speaker 2:How big is his putting green? Like, honestly,
Speaker 1:I mean , massive. I mean , uh, like
Speaker 2:Huge.
Speaker 1:Like, you know, I , I don't, I'm not
Speaker 2:<crosstalk> a football field,
Speaker 1:Like, at least as big as a football field. Yeah.
Speaker 2:For reals . Holy crap . Massive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's got two 18 hole courses. And when I say they undulate, I mean, it's like a carnival ride, you know, your ball slides, you know, can be a triple breaker. And it's, but it's , it's, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:I say like, yeah , I wanna go so bad, dude, I have no idea. I just gotta , I gotta do it. I wanna do it. Like , it's on my , it's on my bucket list of courses to go play hopefully the next year. So you move , you move into Portland, and then what, were you still working in banking when you decided to start clinch? Or like what did you do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was working in banking and , uh, that's exactly what I was doing when I decided to start clinch.
Speaker 2:Was it a side, was like a side thing? I guess another , it was side business,
Speaker 1:Yep . Uh , early. So
Speaker 2:Then how'd you, how'd you start that?
Speaker 1:I guess the origin is really my, started with my dissatisfaction with leather gloves. Um, I, I just, you know, basically in any condition, I think leather gloves, my opinion is that they, they feel great, you know, outta the envelope when you put 'em on. But , um, they, they've got a number of flaws. Um, you know, that they don't react well to moisture. They don't stretch back. They wear out way too quickly. And so it occurred to me ,
Speaker 2:They dry out, they
Speaker 1:Dry out, they turn into beef jerky, you know, they, they feel great at the beginning around , but you know, if you get a little bit of sweat, a little bit of moisture , um, from rain or a frosty beverage or whatever it may be , um, they, they just don't work absorb it . <laugh> , they don't work as a gripping material any longer, and they don't, and they, and they're slow to dry out. So there was a host of issues with them , and I just kind of became convinced that there was, in this age of like modern performance materials where everything we have like stretches and wicks and, you know , uh, is antimicrobial. There's just, there had to be a better material to make a glove out of is, is what set me off on this journey.
Speaker 2:So what year was that when you started thinking about that?
Speaker 1:That was like early pandemic era . Era. So about three years ago.
Speaker 2:So you , were you playing more golf during the pandemic?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd say I was, yeah. It was, it was lovely, you know , it wasn't a lovely time, but it was lovely time be because
Speaker 2:Those , it was a lovely time of year
Speaker 1:Work was, you know, remote and, and
Speaker 2:You're in banking, so like,
Speaker 1:Yeah , there were a couple crunch times . So there was a lot going on. And the golf courses were, you know, remained open and it , uh, they were crowded. But I was, I was super grateful to have that as a, as an outlet because a lot of people didn't have anything positive to do during that time. So, all
Speaker 2:Right . So you, you , you realized there was a problem or you felt there was a problem? Yeah. Um, which I don't disagree. And so like, how did you bridge that gap? Like, I mean, are you, you're in banking, so you're not a designer by trade, right? Yeah. So like, how did you go about doing that? What happened ? So
Speaker 1:That's really where , um, serendipity comes in. I met my now business partner , um, his name is Jason Dels Saddo . And I met him through golf and kinda shared my, my frustration with leather and shared my idea with him. And he was a guy that, that , uh, first of all, he agreed with me , um, and, and shared the same experiences with leather gloves. And he was also a guy that was able to, to kind of make the product happen.
Speaker 2:So then how'd you meet Jason?
Speaker 1:I just met him through just playing at a local golf club ,
Speaker 2:Playing golf.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Are you
Speaker 2:Serious ? Yeah .
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you , did you guys like, you like , so you met him at a golf course or just like, or what, or through like your crew ? Yeah,
Speaker 1:We , we met up and then we had our kind of first business meeting at a , you know, he lives in Portland as well. We're on the opposite side of town. So we picked a neutral ground coffee shop, and I, I came with my ideas and we , we met for about an hour and a half and we determined that we had a path forward. So it was , it was, it was pretty great. So
Speaker 2:What's Jason's background?
Speaker 1:So Jason's background is in product development. So he worked for Nike previous to, to the Clinch gig for over a decade. Prior to that, he worked for Burton Snowboards. He has just developed a lot of product. Um, he worked for , uh, Nike basketball and skateboarding. Um, and has just expensive , extensive experience working with different materials, working with the factories that, that can , um, you know, make those material , put those , bring those materials to life. And just knew a lot about, you know, what properties we needed and, and frankly had the connections to get us samples and, and , uh, get
Speaker 2:It going. Right, like get the knowledge of the product Yeah . Or the knowledge of the materials and could actually get samples made and know who to go to. And I mean, that's huge, right? 'cause I think that's a big gap that always has to be filled because people think like, oh, like, like Matt and I were talking before the show, like, I did gloves once. That was a terrible mistake. 'cause they sucked, you know? But like, if you're new to something like this, like you don't know, like you just try to, you know, you try like, I don't know . It's hard. It's , it's especially hard. I guess what one, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was , I was sidebar be , before I met Jason and I was exploring this idea. I went to a, like apparel manufacturing course that exists here in Portland. And, you know, there was a bunch of, you know, various women that idea had ideas for designer lines, whatever. And so I, I talked to my idea about gloves, and the reaction I got was like, Ooh , do you know how hard it is to sew a glove? The the idea of, you know, doing it as a D Y I D I Y project , uh, was was out the window there. So I really needed someone that had the connections to get one made. Yeah. Gloves are, gloves are tricky. So
Speaker 2:Did you like bring it up or you guys were playing golf once or something? Like seriously? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean , just, yeah .
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:No , I , I , I brought it up with, you know, it was a , everybody
Speaker 2:I would listen, <laugh> ,
Speaker 1:It was a freaking complaint of mine. <laugh>
Speaker 2:Man Club sucks. I wish somebody was new design. Oh , I don't design. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean , you see people that, you know, have the, you know, you know , oh yeah,
Speaker 2:Riff right here on the palm , you're on
Speaker 1:Down . I've seen people in the driving range before they even tee off and they've got half a hole worn there. Um ,
Speaker 2:And by the time they're the fifth hole, it's like completely ripped and now it's complete trash.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So grip and durability are really, you know, the, the core of what we were trying to solve for.
Speaker 2:All right . So then you guys started this up going in, what, 2020 during this pandemic
Speaker 1:Year ? Yeah , like a year . We , we worked on it for, forgive me, because my, my recollection of what year is That's fine . What's, is is f fuzzy coming outta
Speaker 2:Pandemic ? Is that like, I feel like the pandemic is like a black hole. Like I cannot do math. Yeah . Like I have like thoughts a pre 2019, like, oh yeah, it was 2018, whatever. Yeah ,
Speaker 1:2020
Speaker 2:2021 . I don't remember anything.
Speaker 1:But , uh, we launched , we launched the product in May of 2022. So we're just over a year old now. But we worked on it for, I , I'd say approximately 18 months. Nearly two years before we, before we launched. And
Speaker 2:So then during that time, like what were you guys trying to do? Like what?
Speaker 1:Well, the first thing we did was we, we, we got, we connected with a factory that makes gloves for , um, some other brands. And so they had some, we, we knew they had the technical capabilities , um, and we provided them with a list materials that we, we wanted to test out. So first they sent us swatches, and then we reviewed, you know, I don't know , dozens of swatches of materials. And we sort of felt them by hand and tested them with, you know, for how quickly they dry or whatever. And then we had, we sent them several, several different iterations that we wanted them to sample for us. And so the factory worked with us and did some sampling. And , uh, we, we went to work, we had some friends who were like-minded and we, we did a bunch of testing and we had spreadsheets and, you know, questions and answers and lots of stuff. And we kind of landed on a material that we liked. Um , and then sort of simultaneously we were looking for an actual designer that could design the glove for us. And so we, here in Portland, we , we live in sort of a hotbed of footwear and apparel business. So we, we found, unfortunately , big ones local , um, who worked for another, let's just call it major company in town here. Um, who was ,
Speaker 2:They make shoes ,
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, they do make shoes. Yeah. <laugh> ,
Speaker 2:Um , oh wow. Who
Speaker 1:Was willing , you know , who had experienced designing golf gloves and who was able to , uh, do some design work. And he whipped up a couple designs for us, and one of 'em was our, is what we call the tactile glove, which is the product we launched with. So , um, it was marrying up those two, marrying up the design with, with the specific fabrics that we had called out.
Speaker 2:It's a lot, I mean, like, this is the thing I don't think people understand is are , is like clinch is not making like the glove that you've already are used to seeing. Like, that's easy. I mean, it's not easy, but it's like, you can find a fact bazillion factories that make that glove, right? Yeah . Like ,
Speaker 1:Yeah ,
Speaker 2:The crap shoot is like, is it the right factory? That's not , not a crap material. Is it gonna bleed through? Right? It's when it comes a leather, right. Or whatever, fake leather. But there's plenty of places to do that. But essentially clinch is remaking the glove. Like it's not that glove. It's a completely different glove. So that's a whole process, right? 'cause you have to, like, you're , you're starting from scratch 'cause you're like, what's the material? What do we want it to do? Has to look good, has to last, right?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You know, the material is the core, is the core thing. You know, we had a number of like what we call mini basins , like about, you know, how you take the glove on and off, whatever. But really the, the palm material is, is the core of our product , um, in terms of just, it's, you know, it's got a little more stretch to it . So it retracts if it , um, it, it's quick to dry. Um, it grips when it's wet. In fact, I prefer , um, when it has a little moisture to it, I, I feel like it even grips a little better. And it's incredibly durable. Um, is is the other thing. You know, it , it just doesn't wear out. And I say that, you know, of course it does wear out in time, but we , um, you know, on average, you know, we , we say that it lasts, you know, typically two times as , as long as a leather glove. But really we have people using them time and time again. And, and you know, in fact we have a photographer friend that we work with who we had doing our sampling. So our original run before we were in , were in production and he's still playing with his original glove, so
Speaker 2:Shut up for real.
Speaker 1:They're , they're, and this guy's a this guy golfs all the time. So , um, they are incredibly durable. Um, and then part of that, like what we call innovation, is that on , unlike a leather glove , um, these are washable. So if you, you know, if , if, if they're getting old because of , um, you know, little oil on them or , um, you know, they've, they've had encountered a lot of sweat. Uh , you pop 'em in the wash on a gentle cycle and air dry 'em , and they really just come back to life. Um, so we got people, you know, playing, you know, dozens of rounds with them , um, before they, they need to be refreshed.
Speaker 2:Let's talk a little about the material. So like, how is this glove made? So like what are the different pieces, I guess? Um , yeah,
Speaker 1:There's essentially three different materials. And if you click to that, that palm image , uh, yes , that one down there . So that's, that's sort of the core of the material that, that , um, encapsulates all of the, like that side of the hand. And that is sticky ,
Speaker 2:Like the sticky and the grip, the gripping and
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. That, that's got a little bit of stretch to it. Um, it, it's , um, it's thinner than you might expect. You know, we, we often get comments when people feel it, that they say it feels thin. And I think that speaks to
Speaker 2:Really
Speaker 1:Their concern that it might not be as durable, but then that's, you know, after a round with it, that's pretty quickly. Uh ,
Speaker 2:Like bro, if you like, not wor a leather golf club, that thing's like paper thin. I mean, it's
Speaker 1:Like , yeah . But , um, so this material, I ,
Speaker 2:I look at it right now and I'm like, that looks a lot thicker. But it's interesting. You're saying it's thinner or it looks
Speaker 1:It's
Speaker 2:Not. That's cool.
Speaker 1:So this is, you know, this is really the core material that , um, you know, we, we just tried different blends of and settled on the one that we think works best, but it, it , uh, yeah, it grips when wet it, it's got a little bit of stretch to it, so it'll retract so it doesn't get that baggy feel that leather can get, or pleather can get , um, what's center hand . And it's, you know, it's , it's quick to dry, but it also, it also does grip with wet. And then if you click to the image, maybe that gray image of the yeah . Of the top of the glove. And I'll get to that image in a moment. If you wanna , oh ,
Speaker 2:Here ,
Speaker 1:Uh , to the back of hand material. So there's two separate materials on the, on the back of hand, so that , that's the palm . But you go, yeah, go to that one right there. The area around the Velcro tab there is like a stretchy mesh material. And so that allows for quite a bit of airflow, which assists with a quick dry , also has some stretch to it. And then the area that you see with the , the, I guess the three fingers that aren't the index finger there, that's really just like a, a spandex blend that has some stretch to it and just feels great.
Speaker 2:It's soft,
Speaker 1:It's soft. And we put that there just 'cause it , it , it feels great. You oftentimes , you don't even feel like you're wearing a glove on that portion of your hand. Um, so
Speaker 2:Like this, so like this finger right here, and then the , the palm of the glove is the same material, right? It's like Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And that, that finger is , is the same material as the palm. Because if you think about how you grip , um, your, you know, if you're a right-handed golfer, if you think about how you grip with your left hand, oftentimes that , um, is, you know, fingers
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is covered up, right? That's , it's like this and then this part of the hand,
Speaker 1:But oftentimes like this part of your hand is in contact
Speaker 2:For the
Speaker 1:Grill. So that's why that's made of that material.
Speaker 2:The side of it is definitely for sure. Yeah .
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then this material here is like the more the moisture wicking and , uh, yeah ,
Speaker 1:It's a , it's , it's an air flow . Like it's , it's mesh, so it's got some stretch to it. It does, it, it , um, it really helps with the air flow . So it's mu much more breathable.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you a question? Yeah . Why? And I , I was wondering this, like what made you, in terms of design, like why, why did you use this material instead of that material for the top part of the hand? Is there, I was wondering ,
Speaker 1:Uh , the, so the me, i , i, the mesh is like kind of a design element that helps with airflow and breathability, but Oh, I
Speaker 2:See. Um ,
Speaker 1:We , we determined that it probably wouldn't feel great on no , on the fingers, on the backside of the fingers. And it, it doesn't have, it has stretch to it, but it doesn't have as much stretch as the stand .
Speaker 2:Like it's soft and it feels right. Like
Speaker 1:When you flex your hand, you know , the stretch doesn't impede your stretch at all because
Speaker 2:It would probably feel weird. Right. It was on your fingers and you'd be like, I can see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1:That's cool. It , it might, it might. So yeah, that's , that's really why,
Speaker 2:Like with this image here, like what is this?
Speaker 1:So we have , um, what you're looking at there. The , the black pattern is what's called a T P U overlay is a technical term, but , um, inside the glove , um, in the palm where gloves often wear first , um, it's a little bit of reinforcement there. It's, it's printed on the interior of the glove. So , um, you don't , you don't notice it from the exterior and you actually don't feel it at all. Like if , if we didn't, when you put the glove on, you'd never feel it. It's not a particular,
Speaker 2:This is on the inside, like we were on
Speaker 1:The inside. And it does two things. Number one, it helps keep the glove snug on your hand. So it , it's, it's got a little bit of , um, that's
Speaker 2:Cool.
Speaker 1:Anti-slip property to it. So it's like a rubberized, so it , it keeps your glove snug on your hand and, and retains the shape better. And then it also just adds another layer there for, that's just the com most common area for a glove to wear out. So
Speaker 2:Is that all the fingertips or just certain ones?
Speaker 1:It's not on the fingertips, it's on the palm of the hand where , I
Speaker 2:Mean the palm , sorry, my
Speaker 1:Head . Yeah . Yeah . It's it's on the ,
Speaker 2:Like in this area , right?
Speaker 1:Yep , exactly. And
Speaker 2:That's on every finger? It's
Speaker 1:Not on the fingertips? No, it's just on the, just right where it's pictured , uh, that's like a blowup image. It's on the inside of that palm .
Speaker 2:Oh, the palm ? Not the fingers. Oh , okay. My bad,
Speaker 1:My bad.
Speaker 2:It's like in this area. Oh, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1:Like right , right , right. Where you typically would wear a glove out, that's where it ,
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. Oh ,
Speaker 1:So
Speaker 2:Does that also help with like just the wear as well? Because it
Speaker 1:Does, like , that strength will wear , that stuff will wear before the fabric wears. And so it's sort of a sacrificial, sacrificial product there. So that, that , um, does help, it does help with glove wear . But again, like , um, it's, it's super thin and like, just like as a tactile experience, you wouldn't, you wouldn't notice that it's there, go back to the top of the, go back to the image of the glove , um, from the back of the hand image, like showing the Velcro collab ,
Speaker 2:Uh , the Velcro,
Speaker 1:Yeah, right there. So yeah. One other distinction. Yeah, any of the colors is fine. They're , they're just different colorways. Um, the green one is great. 'cause do you see the, on the Velcro tab, you see the, the , the green kind of semi-circle there?
Speaker 2:Yeah. What is that?
Speaker 1:So , um, that, that's an idea that Jason came up with. Um, so like in doing our research, we discovered that, you know, golfers tend to take their gloves on and off. Most golfers, many golfers don't wear their gloves to put , um, yeah , exactly. Yeah . Which means they're taking on off on every hole, which, which, you know, between taking a break doing something else, you , you're, you're taking your glove on and off sometimes like upwards of 25 times around if , if , you know, if you think about it, like on an alarm car five, you know, you're walking on the fairway, you some people just take the glove off, like that is a, a rubberized tab that , um, is like really distinct from the Velcro feel. Um, it's a , you know, it's a, it's a minor innovation, but it makes on and off really easy. Um, and we found like with, you know, brand X typical glove where the , where it's the same material that resides like the same leather that is on top of the other like, like leather. It can be hard, you know, at first to
Speaker 2:Pull it off,
Speaker 1:Not looking at it. They can be hard. Yeah. And we, and we, Jason had an experience once where the, he was tugging at it and the, the bottom portion of the Velcro came off of another brand of glove. And so we thought that having like an easy on off tab would, would , um, oh , smart .
Speaker 2:I mean , I've had too , where you've like pulled on this, I've had this happen where you pull on the Velcro and it rips like the whole Yeah . Like the whole assembly rips off the back of the glove and you're like, oh, there'll go that glove.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no , that's exactly what we're, we're what this is designed to avoid and just to make it, you know, that much easier to take on and off and
Speaker 2:Get your, and also try to get your finger underneath there and just pull it off real quick instead of like trying to dig at the Velcro. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like
Speaker 2:Get it off. That's cool. So then when , so you launched, when, when , when, when did the site go live?
Speaker 1:Uh , may of 2022. Okay.
Speaker 2:So a year ago. And then what, what was the original launch? How many colors did you go with?
Speaker 1:We had three. We didn't have the green color at that time. We had the gray, the black and the blue.
Speaker 2:What is your most popular color?
Speaker 1:Gray is our most popular color. The gray and gray.
Speaker 2:Really? Interesting. So I guess one thing I noticed, so like you have six sizes, really, right? Yeah . Um , extra small, small, medium, large, extra large double xl . What made you decide not to have to go with like all the cadet sizes? There's like a
Speaker 1:Bazillion
Speaker 2:Of 'em , right? Yeah . And there's like, that's one, one thing I noticed too. I had other, I have a couple golf club companies on the show and it's like, you know, it's like, this is the thing I think people don't understand either is like, there's like a billion sizes when it comes to golf clubs. Like, 'cause if you have all the cadets, you have all the normal, and then you have, and then if you wanna add kids and women, you just tripled it, right? Yeah . So it's like, that's really a hard decision. So like how, like how did you guys come up with like just having the size you have and why?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well the, the , you know, the very candid answer is that , um, you know, you wanna limp for, for taking a stab at initial inventory, having Yeah . You don't
Speaker 2:Have <laugh> of <crosstalk>
Speaker 1:Is daunting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. Right .
Speaker 1:The other , the other part of it that's equally true , true is that our gloves , um, you , we, you know, a very common glove size is the ML size, which you notice that we don't have either. And it's really because our glove, every, all three elements of our glove, of all three pieces of fabric have stretched to them. So , um, the reason you need a cadet sizing in the leather glove is that there's, there's no retractably there, there's
Speaker 2:No , there's no in between size.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And , uh, our gloves have some stretch to 'em. I, myself would, would be, I typically wore an ML glove in Brand X's glove. Um , and I find myself, I can, I can wear both a medium and a large in the clinch glove and they both feel pretty comfortable. Um, there is a notable di difference in the sizing, but , um, the, the stretch and retract properties , uh, you know, just allow us to have a, a smaller range of sizes. Um, and, you know, smart , you mentioned that you were, you had some, you know, dabblings in the glove business. So as you know , um, you know, the, you have these, you have these sizes, and then you have the rights for the , your left-handed golfers and
Speaker 2:Oh , I've got the left hand , then you double it again, right? So you like , you
Speaker 1:Double it again ,
Speaker 2:Lefthand , triple , triple, and you got double it . 'cause you have lefties too , so
Speaker 1:You're like medium large, your medium large, extra large left hand gloves are 90% of what, what we sell or 85% of what we sell. Um, like
Speaker 2:No one buys extra small, small double xl and you gotta , like if you , if you buy hundred ,
Speaker 1:We do sell them. But the distribution chart, you know, is a , it's a pretty steep bell curve. Um, and so lemme
Speaker 2:Answer a generic question, right? Yeah . So if you, okay , let's just pretend not you guys, but like, let's say you have, you're gonna buy a hundred gloves, right? Like of whatever, how would you, how would you , uh, distribute the sizes based on a , on a hundred glove order, just based on what you know now of what people purchase?
Speaker 1:It would be something like large 40, extra large 20, medium 25, and then, you know, X X L and small and X
Speaker 2:Five and five and Yeah , yeah, yeah . As
Speaker 1:Few as our factory lettuce order <laugh> is basically the answer. <laugh> ,
Speaker 2:I was telling , I was telling Matt, I was like, dude, like I had this horrible story, like I'll never do gloves again because like the gloves I had , I had bought, they weren't bad. They was very inconsistent. Like some did this, some didn't, and I , which one was what? And like, it looked good. I saw all this time and money doing it, but like, you know, the sizing sucks. And then also, like, one , I guess the other issue too, we were trying to talk about on the show before the show is like, okay , so like they have green, green, blue and, and , uh, well , I can't even see that . Another screen , black
Speaker 1:And gray colors
Speaker 2:You got and black and gray. Right? But like, because this material's not leather, you don't have to worry about it bleeding. Right, right.
Speaker 1:Like
Speaker 2:With a leather glove, you have that, it could happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We've seen, we get images of people , uh, who get, you know, some of those glo like, you know, there's other brands that have come out with, you know, there's, it's more, more frequently on the market now there's, there's colored golf gloves and they look cool, you know, I , I , I like some of them, but , uh, they
Speaker 2:Look really cool. I mean, but
Speaker 1:Bleeding E
Speaker 2:Four started all that
Speaker 1:Bleeding is , uh, an issue with, with, you know, at least with some of them. And , uh, you know, the more, the more sweat or rain or condensation is a factor, the more that's likely to happen. What
Speaker 2:Is gonna happen every single time you play golf. It's not like , oh , your hand's not either. When is your ha hand not gonna sweat? Right? Yeah . So like in Arizona, my hand's gonna sweat, but it's not gonna rain and it's vice versa where you live. So it's like, it's always gonna get wet. That's why it dries out. So it's like,
Speaker 1:Yeah . Well, thank you. That's like a foundational principle of our company is that moisture is always present in the game. You know, people think like it'll
Speaker 2:Never , yeah , it'll never only
Speaker 1:Mean that for when it's raining, but it's, it's not true. It's, you know, there's always , um, you're always getting wet in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, two things I like about this one, I like the way you did your clinch logo. I think it looks really cool. You know, the wording, the cursive looks really good. And then also the logo is really cool. I've seen that logo before, though. Not saying you guys took it from somewhere, but like, I've seen your logo somewhere. I know, I've seen that. It looks so good job on the marketing. How did you initially market clinch? Like how'd you get it out there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we have , you know, we're, we launched and are still primarily , um, a direct to consumer brand. Um, so we launched with a , with a website and a few dollars of advertising and a , uh, the help of a PR person , um, who's worked with some other golf brands that are, that are based here in, in town in Portland. Uh, you know, Jason and I went , you know, had had a date that we're going live and we, you know, worked furiously to get our images and get our site together and get our advertising together. Um , and we, we did a , you know, sort of a soft launch and, you know, we're prepared we're , we had no idea what to be prepared for. And we had a a , a great first couple days, but really , uh, we were familiar fulfilling orders primarily to Oregon and New England where we had a lot of connections. So it was, it was a lot of friends and family buying product in the early days. Okay . Um , but then we , um, you know, just got better and better at digital advertising. Still a work in , in progress there. But , um, yeah,
Speaker 2:Of course
Speaker 1:Quench has found its, you know, found its home online. Um, and, you know, we sell, sell to all 50 states, sold, you know , um, we , we don't do any international marketing, but we've , um, sold a bunch of gloves to all of the nations you think of that have golfing cultures like uk, Ireland, Australia, Korea, Japan.
Speaker 2:It's hard though too, right? I feel like with a brand like international, even outside of us , like you can go into Canada, like it's so much more expensive for consumer .
Speaker 1:Yeah . We've been surprised, you know , consumer Yeah . Shipping, shipping to South Korea duties
Speaker 2:And all that other crap. Yeah. Yeah . It's like, what do you do? That's a hard decision, right? I think think for any brand, it's like, do we just stay lower 48 or do we actually like go outside of our territory, you know? And then like how do you guys do that? Like if some of our orders it from , uh, a foreign country, let's call it, like, do you just probably cost more for shipping and they have to pay their own import duties if they decide to buy it, right? Pretty
Speaker 1:Much . Yeah. I mean they , um, you know, we, we, our our site is hosted on Shopify, which , um, ad adjust the shipping costs for the consumer. Um, and so they, they pay the shipping and you know, honestly, some of the price tags that we've seen to ship something to, you know, Japan for example, it's pretty eye-popping that, you know, that we're, we're , you know, it's , it's more than the cost of the club to get it there, but people are willing to , uh, absorb it, try it out, thankfully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the hard part. I always feel that so hard because like, yeah,
Speaker 1:We're , we're to , to be , to be clear, like our focus is domestic in the US right now. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:You
Speaker 1:Know , we're trying to build a brand here. And then , um, if, you know, that's
Speaker 2:<crosstalk> . I once had somebody order a bunch of stuff for me and from my , my , my other shop, and like the dude, like, it went to Canada and then the dude was like, oh, the import dude was like a hundred dollars. I'm like, bro, you bought like 50 effing towels, like, what do you expect? Like a hundred bucks? Like , get over it. And he's like, well, I'm gonna return it. I was like , uh, okay. You know, so he would , he was gonna , so he rejected the order when it went because he even paid a hundred dollars in import. He's , well, that wasn't part of the deal. I'm like, dude, I told you to pay own import duty taxes. Like, come on. Like, yeah ,
Speaker 1:All right ,
Speaker 2:So you're gonna return the entire order back to me. I was like, okay, whatever. That's cool. I don't know . I feel like international's tough, I feel like, and I get hit a lot, like, why aren't you shipping it to wherever? I'm like, I don't wanna deal with that. But
Speaker 1:<crosstalk> , lemme tell you, the most humorous international story I've had so far, some , somehow some way the , like Google my business got linked to my home address , um, which I probably did in the early days when I was setting it up. And I live, you know, I live, you know , I live in the city of Portland, but in like a residential neighborhood. And so if you clicked on Google Maps, you'd see clinch golf pop up over my It's
Speaker 2:Like your house.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And , uh, I was, I was out about doing something one day and my wife tell , calls me and tells me that three Japanese guys knocked on the door, <laugh> and my wife Really , they were like, clinch golf <laugh>. Oh my God . So , um, she wasn't quite sure what to do, so she, she tried to give them my phone number, but I never actually connected with 'em . But <laugh> , she , she pretty crazy . It's
Speaker 2:Crazy. They like came and saw you, like, that's nuts. Maybe why they wanted to be like your international distributor from Japan,
Speaker 1:You know , I may have missed a , a , you know, a massive, a massive thought
Speaker 2:You could be like, you could be like the most popular glove in Japan right now, but you are in a home. That's kidding.
Speaker 1:Sorry. That's ,
Speaker 2:So when, like, with your apparel stuff, like when did you guys start doing apparel around the same time? Like your hats and your shirts like that ? Yeah ,
Speaker 1:Yeah. We, you know, we launched like, to this day, like our focus is on the glove, that's of
Speaker 2:Course .
Speaker 1:But, you know, we wanted to have some gear and so we, you know , uh, ripped up some hats and some hoodies and some t-shirts, and we've got, you know, ball marks and tees and, you know, all the, all the swag and you know, I , uh, I , I like a lot of it. The hats are cool. Uh , that's cool.
Speaker 2:Hoodies , I agree .
Speaker 1:Hoodies really nice. But you know, in there are, there are like discussions about where we might go next with the brand. Um, but those are really accessories and the core of what we do is really built around the glove. That's like, that's, that's , that's what we stand for. No,
Speaker 2:I think that's really cool. So then, are you only on the site, on your site right now? Are you trying to get in big box retailers or are you trying to get on Amazon, or what are you doing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so pretty much on the site now, we have a couple of shop local shops that carry our gloves. We've had like a fantastic experience where they've, you know, we keep on restocking 'em and restocking 'em and restocking them. Um, that's cool . Um , we've got, I'll give a shout out to , there's a organization called Northwest Golf Guys here , um, that we've become friends with. They run amateur golf tournaments throughout like Portland, Seattle, and California. The prize money you get from these tournaments gets spent on their site. So they, they sell our products. Cool . So that's another way to go to market. And we are in, we have just recently signed a , uh, sales rep who's gonna get our, our product into, he, he has like a Pacific Northwest territory, so he's gonna , he's on the road right now. Um, you know, he reps a bunch of other cool brands and we're on his roster right now. So we expect that by spring of 24 we'll be in , um, a number of shops in this area. And then , um, you know, we're quite frankly, we're a , we're a self-funded, bootstrapped organization, so we're gonna take a staggered approach to going national. Oh,
Speaker 2:No. Yeah,
Speaker 1:Earlier this year you
Speaker 2:Only spend , yeah. You only spend what you have , right? Yeah . It's not like you just go crazy on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, have you considered , uh, Amazon, or no?
Speaker 1:We have, we have, and we'll probably, we'll probably get there. Um, we have, we have plans around it, but we're not there yet. Um, it's, you know, it's got , as you know, it's got pros and cons. Um, pros being it's the largest marketplace that world has ever known , um, and , um, the
Speaker 2:Largest search engine.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But we take, take some of the control away of , um, the customer interaction and, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right
Speaker 1:Now we're, we're super close to our customer when they, when you order from clinch golf.com , like, we try to treat the client, right? Like we, you know, we oftentimes send a handwritten note, we throw some teas in there, and we like
Speaker 2:Extra stuff. Yeah. You're excited, you're like, thank you for buying my product. Thank you . Yeah . Get your baby, right? Like , you're just like , Hey , thank you.
Speaker 1:Questions or comments, you know, you know, contact us, meet or Jason directly. And so , um, going to Amazon, you know, remove some of that from our, our control. But, you know, we're also doing, you know, frankly, that we are, the , the goal is to create a viable business outta this. So , um, we probably will get there, but we're just trying to do it in a thoughtful approach.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a whole other beast too. I mean, you get to learn it, right? It's not like you just do it. Like I have a couple of my friends are on Amazon and , uh, extremely successful at it when it comes to golf, but it's like, I mean, it takes years to figure it out, right? Yeah . And the cost to it, like, I mean, I don't know , see yours is 25 bucks for a glove. Like you're probably spending, I be , they're probably gonna get $8 out of that. Amazon would on every sale, just like off the top. So it's like nine outta 17, so you have to doing the math backwards. So it's like, it's this weird balance. I mean , it's nice to have F B A and it's like on automatic and whatever like that. But yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting too because I think like you're, you're a new product. It's not like you're just selling another globe like everybody else. It's like, it's, I don't know , there's definitely pros and cons when it comes to Amazon. Um, so what do you guys have in store for the rest of the year? Like, what's going on with you guys till the end of the end of this year?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Um, so the retail rollout is taking up a bunch of our attention right now, and we've got a couple of exciting , um, brand collaborations that , um, I need to stay moot on who we're, we're working with. But , um, one of them should launch by the holiday season and one will launch next spring. Uh , that's
Speaker 2:Awesome.
Speaker 1:Um , I'm excited to , I'll be excited to share that information when we , uh, we're free to do so, but , um, it's gonna be pretty cool. So we're excited.
Speaker 2:So are you doing this full-time? Yeah . Like , is your full-time gig now? Yeah . Like, it's not , you're not doing the banking stuff, right? So like what about Jason? Is he doing it full-time or is he still working as a , with his stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no , uh, Jason , uh, does have another gig , uh, working for another, you know, mostly direct to consumer , um, company called Cane Footwear. Uh, and Kane is a , like a athletic, they call it a recovery performance shoe. Um, and so he is kind of splitting his attention, but , um, you know, we're putting a lot of effort into Clinch. Oh,
Speaker 2:That's cool. Shoes are sick. It's like, it's like Kane's going after , uh, Crocs kind of , but it looks like a lot cooler shoe than a crock. That's cool. Yeah, it's like, it's good that you can foc like it's the perfect pair, right? Because you can focus full-time on it. And then like that , I have a buddy, another brand, very popular now, but they like did the same thing. Like one guy was an engineer and uh, he kept on doing it while his other partner worked on the brand full time . And then after a couple years when they got really ramped up and going, then he was able to leave his job too, because it was like, they're going like gangbusters. But it's really cool you're able to do that. So where can people find Clinch?
Speaker 1:Uh, best place to go is clinch golf.com , C l i n C h golf.com. That's
Speaker 2:Cool. I mean, this Glow book's really cool. Yeah , I mean, I haven't tested it out. I mean, I, I'm looking at it right now with you guys, and it , it looks cool, smart, very smart idea. I mean, when's the last time a golf glove was re you know, redesigned?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no , that was Paul, that's like one of the, you know, the , the things that we, when we talk to people about the glove that we harken back to is that like everything in golf has been innovated on. You know, like think about the ball. The clubs that we use, the shoes, you know, are are notably different than they were 10, 20, 30 years ago. The clothes that we wear are different, you know, the performance element of it and the glove, you know, and sure there's like some cool new designs, like it , people die in purple, but it's the same old glove. Like, and you know, the idea is just that leather is just kind of a , at one time point, it was the best gripping material we had, but it's, it's , uh, sort of antiquated now. And , uh, we're, we're pretty convinced that, that we are , we've landed on the right product.
Speaker 2:It's very interesting you're saying that too, because I didn't think about that either. Like in your right, it's like the glove has not been reinvented at all. I , I mean, that I've seen at least, it's like, I mean, reinvention could be like, what different color? Or they sew some stuff on the sides of it, or, you know, but that's, it's still the same,
Speaker 1:Yeah , same product,
Speaker 2:Same based product. So, I mean, it's really cool that you guys are doing this and that you're, you're actually, you designed a new style in way of using a golf glove that was already, that was not around at the time. So that's, that's really, that's really cool. Well, I also say thank you for being on the show today. Um, you guys, this is a really cool glove. Like honestly, I can't wait to get my hands on it . Check it out. Um, I mean, like we were saying before, my hands gets totally sweaty. I play golf here. I probably go through a glove, I don't know, after about four or five rounds, and then it's trashed. So I mean, to have something you can like wash and reuse. And the other thing too , we were saying earlier with the in between size, like I'm a medium and some golf , golf glove brands , but I'm a large in others. So it's like really inconsistent. So being able to like not have to worry about that and just be like, okay , well they'll , they'll fit both will fit one might be a little bit, a little bit looser or a bit tighter, but it's, they both are gonna fit and that doesn't happen with normal glove . So I think there's a lot of really cool selling points here with, with the glove. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Thanks. I, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Well thank you for so much for being on the show. Um, if you guys wanna check out Clinch, please check out his website, clinch Golf . It, I mean, I think you guys need to check it out 'cause this is really cool and uh, I will see you guys in the next episode. Thanks
Speaker 1:Paul . Thanks for listening to another episode of Behind the Golf Brand podcast. You're gonna beat me and golf stay connected on and off the show by visiting golfers authority.com. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and leave a comment. Golf is always more fun when you win. Stay out of the beach and see you on the green.