We made it to Episode 82 of the Behind the Golf Brand Podcast. In this week's episode, I interview my good friend Derek Mousseau of Garmin.
Garmin, the leader in everything GPS. is an enduring company by creates superior products for automotive, aviation, marine, outdoor, and sports that are an essential part of our customers' lives.
We made it to Episode 82 of the Behind the Golf Brand Podcast. In this week's episode, I interview my good friend Derek Mousseau of Garmin.
Garmin, the leader in everything GPS. is an enduring company by creates superior products for automotive, aviation, marine, outdoor, and sports that are an essential part of our customers' lives.
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Speaker 6:What's up guys, Paul from golfer's authority. Welcome to the behind the call brand podcast. This week I had my friend Derek muso from Garin. You guys all love Garin. I love Garin. Garmin's like the leader in like GPS. Like I everyone's just to knock off my opinion. I view Garin forever. I will tell you guys stories about using my garm unit in an airplane. Like when I, to be a pilot. Yeah. So like, it looked like a big football. That's how big this garment unit was, but I'm really excited to have him on the show today. Cause I wanna talk about tech and kind of like what's going on with Garin and all the new products and just get to know Derek. So welcome to the show. Thanks
Speaker 7:Paul. It's good to be on appreciate, uh, the opportunity and, uh, excited to discuss golf and garment and what we're working on and all the, uh, exciting stuff with the season. Pretty much here in the east. So
Speaker 6:Yay golf. Season's here. Yay. We
Speaker 7:Made it. Yeah, it rains about five days a week, but we're gonna, we're gonna get out there eventually.
Speaker 6:So where are you located? You personally?
Speaker 7:So I'm in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and I'm responsible for garments, consumer electronic sales throughout, uh, half the Western half of Pennsylvania, all of West Virginia. And most of Virginia, not including the DC beltway. So Garin
Speaker 6:Area.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it's a lot of geography. I mean, we cover down into Virginia Beach, which is nice, uh, to get down to sometimes. But, uh, yeah, it's been, it's been great seeing some areas of Virginia that hadn't been so familiar with Garin makes a wide portfolio of products beyond golf. Uh, we're responsible for four key product segments in, in each territory. The outdoor segment, which is, uh, golf falls under that category are handhelds, which is what garment's known for with our satellite communicators. Uh, we make dive watches. We make, uh, dog products like collars and handhelds for hunters when they're out in the field. So they can see where their dogs are when they're hunting. Uh, we make archery technology products. So, uh, sites or range finders that the amount to Bowes for hunters to, um, you know, have ethical kills while they're out there. Uh, so those are like the core products that make up the, the outdoor space. And then we have a fitness segment, which is a big aspect to garment where we have running watches. We have biking technology. So very popular aspect of, um, fitness there, automotive, which is what really kind of got garment on the map, the personal devices and cars, but as, uh, that industry has evolved and matured, the automotive space has gone into some more niche markets. We make products for like side byside and offroad vehicles, motorcycles, RVs, Mosport like race car, uh, for drivers to record their ride, track their time, find opportunities to cut that time down. And then the, the last segment is Marine. So Marine's a big area where we have fish finders chart, plotters live zone, our trolling motors for, for bass and fishing enthusiasts. So those are the areas that we're responsible for in our markets. Garment has a aviation department that you had mentioned earlier. We don't have anything to do with that, but, um, that's also a big aspect of, uh, of garment as a whole, from a GPS company.
Speaker 6:Oh, is that it?
Speaker 7:That's it, man. Yeah. So as soon as you hang up, we hang up, we'll be diving into some Marine or something or today. So<laugh>, it's uh,
Speaker 6:I had no idea how I honestly, cause you forget, right? Like when you are such, when you're in a segment, right. You don't spend time. Like if a consumer you don't go, oh, they must make that for fishing. And like, then you go, oh yeah, they do make that proficient. Oh yeah. They do make that for this. Oh yeah. Like, I don't know. Garmin's a massive company.
Speaker 7:If you just go to our website and start just cruising around and seeing the different categories, I mean, golf is a big part of what Garin does. It's, it's one of many things I do. It's not the primary thing I do, um, every day, but, um, you're right. It's a, it's a GPS company. They started integrating a lot of their GPS technologies into golf in the late two thousands and launched the first handheld, which I think was the G five then. And we've continued to evolve, uh, their technologies in golf to branch out into wearables and, and more mature handhelds range finders. And now we have a launch monitor too. So a solution really kind of, for every type of golf, appetite or athlete, depending on, uh, what it is their preference is while playing. And, um, you know, we have solutions for the, the off course, you know, big box accounts down to the, the Greengrass facilities as well. So, um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's nice to have that diversity in the, in the company where we're not dependent on one particular product to get us through a quarter or a year where there's up ebbs and flows in the economy, which may affect a certain industry more so than others. And what that allows Scarman to do is those other industries pick up the, the area that might be, you know, dragging a little bit so that we can maintain other growth opportunities. So yeah, I mean, I we're constantly pivoting,
Speaker 6:Garin just has a good reputation. Like, that's it like, I mean, I've never heard anybody's name, bad about Garin. Like Garins always makes high quality products that you trust. Like, I mean, I know I did, like, I was kind of telling you earlier, like I remember when I used to be a pilot that was the early two thousands. Like I got this little, like, it was as big as my coffee cup dude. It was like that big, it was massive. It was like a football and it was like a black and white GPS, but it was like the coolest thing in the world because there was nothing else like that out there. Right. I mean, and we relied on that, flying all the way against it, just messing around. And I mean, then they came out with the color unit and up for like, I couldn't afford the color unit. I stayed with the black and white, but I, I mean,
Speaker 7:You knew how to not die with that one. So you're, you're fine with
Speaker 6:It.<laugh> that is all that matters. Even though I've tried to die a couple times doing that before we go into garment, like where, like, are you a golf pro like, tell us, tell us your story. Like, did you grow up? You grew up in Pittsburgh or
Speaker 7:Yeah. What happened? Yeah, so I grew up in Pittsburgh and, uh, I was a golf enthusiast early on my, my mother's father, Glen wick was a scratch player and, uh, introduced me to the game and my dad's dad was a good player, too. Earl muso. He, we also would play together, uh, but a lot of summers, uh, we'd go to the range at my mom's, uh, out by my mom's place. And, uh, just really took a liking to the game. I started caddying at age 13 at Oakmont and caddy throughout high school and college. Uh, in my opinion, you can't find a better summer gig for, for that age, with respect to just, you know, exercise being on a, on a golf course, meeting people, meeting influential people, making, making cash, so
Speaker 6:Good cash, making good cash. Yeah. Probably hanging out the golf course all day
Speaker 7:Spending just, you know, five to six hours of your day. And then you're, you can go and do whatever else you want. And, um, so, um,
Speaker 6:And you're in shape.
Speaker 7:Yeah. I mean kind of, yeah. I mean,<laugh>, it's a little different today than yeah. In the mid, mid to late nineties, but, uh, yeah. So then, uh, the, uh, PGA was starting to ramp up this, uh, golf management, uh, program throughout the country and finding universities to, uh, credit, to offer PGA certification in addition to, uh, a degree from said university. So I think, uh, I don't know when I entered college in oh two, there was probably, I don't know, 15 or so colleges that had, uh, this professional golf management program, like fair state Penn state, they were early, uh, doctors. And then I went to Campbell university, just south of Raleigh. So you, you, you, you graduated with a business and degree and a minor in marketing, and then you also finish with your PGA certification class a so in between each year, you're working, uh, internships at different facilities to gain experience of golf operations and everything that goes into running a facility. So then, uh, after college, I, I started working at, uh, the Pittsburgh field club, which is not far from where I live it's, uh, across the river from Oakmont and, uh, spent three seasons there, teaching merchandising, tournament operations, just all, all things, golf encompassing. And then we went into transition where if you remember Titleist owned, Cobra golf, well, a cushion had owned Titleist and Cobra, and Puma was making golf apparel, uh, in Europe. And they were looking to expand in north America. So they wanted to grow distribution and they thought the best way to do that was to par partner up and purchase a, a well-established golf equipment company. So that was how Cobra and Puma golf came together. In 2010, I had, uh, some good relationships with the cushion of people through my time at the field club, there was opportunity to grow a new sales force with Cobra Kuma golf. So I was lucky enough to, um, be placed in Western PA to oversee that growth of that new brand, uh, year in addition, that started in, uh, late 2010, late 2010 and, uh, independent sales gig. So build out some other brands that were non-competing like, uh, we sold Seymour putters, we sold precision pro range finders. We did epic junior golf equipment, uh, Jack jolly and son grips T's and spikes. So we built out a nice portfolio of brands, uh, for the independent sales agency and, uh, did that for about eight years. And, uh, just came
Speaker 6:To traveling.
Speaker 7:It was a lot of road windshield time. And that's, that's where we, you know, when you're young and you're starting, that's not a big deal. And as you start to mature in your life and kids come along, uh, it's harder, harder to kind of spend a lot of that time away.
Speaker 6:So good sales, right. Essentially you have to go club to club store to store, right. And like sell right.
Speaker 7:That's right. Yeah. You present the brand, you present the programs, the features, why this brand, why they should buy in how we're gonna support them through, uh, merchandising, fitting events, consumer connection, those things. Um, and, uh, as an independent,
Speaker 6:All that, that's
Speaker 7:It. Yeah. And as an independent, you are responsible for all the costs that are associated with that too. So you, you work smart, you're managing your own budget, uh, your own, you know, kind of P and L statement if you, if you want. And, uh, so is
Speaker 6:It kinda like running your own business? Kind of like,
Speaker 7:It was very much so. Yeah. I mean, created an LLC to kind of file everything, uh, from a business expense under it, uh, all the equipment that we'd have to bring on, keep it separate expense purposes, all those things, but, uh, tax right off
Speaker 6:Work. I mean, because it's, yeah, it kind of gets you to like, I don't know, like you understand that world, right? Like what it's like to really, it's not like you're not safe under, you know, a big corporation. You're doing those sales cause you're gonna get paid no matter what it's like, okay. If I don't sell, I don't make money and I gotta really run this like a company.
Speaker 7:Yeah. And I mean, in the north where this, the season is somewhat, you know, up and down where the selling season is short, the golf season is short. You gotta make impactful, you know, product presentations in the right assortment, in the right mix. So that you see the pro can see those turns, justify another order justified order for next year. And, um, you know, it was, it was great. I loved, uh, I loved the brand. I loved being out there. I just kind of got to a point where I was ready for, you know, something different. So I took my step aside. I, I did some independent sales, uh, consulting work with a golf travel company called signature golf. They specialize in domestic and international golf experiences around the, the world and the us. And then, uh, V1 sports, which is the leader in video analysis solutions for golf instructors to record swings, make graphics or graphics, uh, voiceover commentary, uh, virtual lessons, uh, so helped them for a little bit and then, uh, was introduced to garment, um, in 2020. But in that transition period, I also joined the board of directors for the first tee of Pittsburgh. So first tee nationally is a, uh, youth development organization that, uh, teaches life skills through the game of golf. So, uh, Pittsburgh is one of the chapters throughout the country and, uh, it's a very, you know, excellent organization, very rewarding work. Uh, just opened a brand new Arnold Palmer learning center, um, at the Bob Connor golf course at shed park, encourage you to check it out. Um, so allows us to deliver programming year round, uh, to indoor simulators, uh, just a great community place to help kids find an area to go that may be better than another option, perhaps as they, you know, mature and find different challenges in their life. So, but, uh, yeah, almost two years down with Garin and, uh, it's been, uh, it's been fun. We were just at headquarters last week for our first sales meeting in like two or three years, I think, post, uh, pandemic. So, uh, great to meet a lot of people that we've, uh, talked with virtually for so long and, uh, just kind of get
Speaker 6:A homecoming. Right. Cause you talk to these people all the time and then as you finally meet them and you're like, I already know this person, like we're already friends,
Speaker 7:Right? Yeah. Kind of in a way, but they don't really know what you look like. I'm six, four, but it doesn't always come across that way on Microsoft really. So like when you show up on campus,
Speaker 6:I four they're
Speaker 7:Like, what the heck? Who's this both<laugh>
Speaker 6:Like, hello, I'm Derek. And they're like, what the hell?
Speaker 7:Yeah, you're still monotone, but you're much taller than I thought you'd be.<laugh>
Speaker 6:We, I used to, like, I used to work for Honeywell, like in, in legal department and we had big conference once and like they shipped everybody in from all around the world, right. For this conference that we all work with. And it was like the same thing. Everyone's like, this is like, it almost, it felt surreal in a wheel in a weird way. You're like, this is really weird. Like when you were, when you were doing your independent stuff, like for like for V1, for example, like what were you doing with them? Were you helping them like with their sales or just more about development and stuff like that? The product,
Speaker 7:Yeah. A lot of sales and business development. I know that you've stalk to some of those guys from V1, I think, on, on your podcast, in the, in the past. And, um, you know, I just kinda, yeah, just kind of helped them kind of get a lot of, um, industry, you know, nomenclature organized with respect, to like what was going on, uh, sales process organization from generating leads to, you know, qualifying them, to bringing them on as a potential deal, to closing them as a customer. And we identified through that time, that's when the pandemic was starting, that there was a, a major growth and demand for at home users and people creating golf studios, you know, in their garage, in a, in a room that's no longer being used, you know, in their basement. So, uh, we really ramped up the hardware solutions for those people that were looking to create, you know, we didn't do the golf simulator aspect, but we were, we had plenty of golf tech nuts out there that were looking to record their swing. Yeah. Send it to their pro, send it to their pro yeah. Software, send it to their pro pro would get it, record a voice note, draw some lines, provide a drill, send it back to the student. Uh, and there, that was where, how V1 in the pandemic really started to grow because they had that platform of being able to, uh, help teachers teach virtually, uh, when everything was like so confused and people weren't going anywhere and this and that. So yeah. I just kind of helped them from a golf industry background. And what, what were the, the key conversations needed when we're approaching golf pros, you know, at home users, golf instructors, because, you know, golf pros, they do so many things. Teaching is one of the things that they do, they
Speaker 6:Do everything,
Speaker 7:But they do everything
Speaker 6:And yeah, like literally they do everything at the golf course. Like don't kid yourself.
Speaker 7:Yeah. There are some people that, you know, just teach and that is their dedicated role. Uh, what V one was good at was trying to help make teaching good, regardless of what capacity you were doing it in, you know, if you're the pro that's merchandising and running tournaments and selling hotdogs and all that stuff, your student doesn't care, they're paying for lesson, they want a good lesson experience. So V1 will still help you look good. Even though teaching is a small portion of what you're doing on a day to day. Yeah. So
Speaker 6:It's it crazy in the last four years, how big tech has gotten in golf? Like I know it was already big, but I mean, it's like blown up massive. Like that's, I mean, it's crazy. And, and I know the pandemic had a lot to do with it, but I also think it has a lot to do with the price coming down on products that people can now afford it. And I also thinks lot new golfers right. That are already used to buying tech. So they go, oh, I need that watch. Oh, I need that GPS unit. Yeah. So I need to make a home simulator. Like
Speaker 7:We start, we started to see that even before the pandemic, like when we were with Cobra, they were partnered with Arcos and they were a, a GPS tracking company where they had sensors. And, uh, you could screw into the, the butt end of the club or Cobra started making equipment where it was embedded in.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Cobra was the first right to put
Speaker 7:That deal. Arcos new. That was a new concept for a lot of people. It's not right for everybody, but the people that are looking to start to collect data and what it is they're doing on the golf course, uh, was, was really popular. And garment offers that in, in their technologies too, with auto shot detector and the ability to collect data and then use the virtual caddy feature once and update is collected to, you know, um, get recommendations while they're out, out on the golf course. So, uh, but you're right. Yeah. Um, it's not, we make, we make very technical products and we make technical products there for kinda simple users that just kind of want good information while they're out there. And, you know, cause that was a challenge. Lot. That time is, uh, you have all this tech, but you're on, you're figuring out while you're playing the whole time. You're not always necessarily enjoying golf. Uh, you're trying to like,
Speaker 6:That's the downside? Get the
Speaker 7:Sensors, right? Oh, I didn't hit the shot here. Da, da, da, da. Then you gotta come back after the round and you're updating a lot of the things on your phone. So
Speaker 6:You don't wanna do that. Like you wanna do, like in real time, like, I'll tell you right now, I'm not gonna name products, but I used the product once or a couple times. And like, that was the problem is that it didn't register every single time. Like I said, it was supposed to, so then you get done with the round or you get done with the hole and you're like, it it's all wrong. And so, oh, you can go in and fix it. And they're like, I don't wanna fix it. I'm so hit the next shot. And then you're, and then you're just like, forget it. I don't even want to use it cuz it's like too late, you know? Yeah. Like, um,
Speaker 7:It can be tricky. I mean, I think it helps, it helps them into high handicap or more where, where they're really
Speaker 6:A hundred percent
Speaker 7:Start mill. Think how many fittings have I done where, you know, I was told the TrackMan was lying. I, I hit the driver two 70, you know, and I was telling him two 30. I'm like, I don't know, it's pretty accurate. It's got dock radars, fall in the ball.<laugh> so people that, uh, really trying to get some humility in their game of, uh, you know, the truth of certain numbers will make them better and
Speaker 6:More, I was actually having this conversation. Like one thing I wanna do come, I'm not good. Like I'm not good at golf.
Speaker 7:Neither of us are good. Or we be playing on TV for millions. So like, we're good. Like we're not that
Speaker 6:On a good day, I'm a mid handicapper, but I most say I'm a high handicapper and that's just, cuz I mean, as you know, once you have family, once you have a job, once you have kids, like your golf time goes like this, right? Like you're lucky if you get out there once or twice a month. It's if you're lucky. Um, you know, and when I started the brand, like that was my journey. Like that was the whole reason why I started the journey. Cause I was like, I can't find good products because I'm being sold products, but I don't understand if it's really good or not. Right. So I was like, I'm gonna just talk about it and figure it out. And I think with the way tech is coming into play, now it's like people can get that data and just be honest and be like, okay, this is where I have problems at. Not like, oh yeah, I shoot in the mid eighties. Like, well crap, you shoot in the mid eighties. Like, no you there's no way like, like on, let's just be honest. I used to say that to people like, oh I shoot, I shoot in the mid eighties. Yeah. I shot in the mid eighties like 20 years ago. Yeah. I was lucky or low eighties dude. I started taking my real score and it was like, I don't, I was, I was three numbers. I was not two numbers. And I was like, okay, you know what, I'm gonna really figure this out. I want that data to like, know where I need help and where I don't and where I actually am. Cause I think like, yeah, there's no, we all want really like just to get better. That's why we buy these products.
Speaker 7:You should know your, you know, your low and max know you're, you know, you're low in max, you know, numbers when you're out there. So like conditions change, like it's colder in the morning, it's wet. The ball's just not gonna go as far, uh, as it would at like 2:00 PM on a, on a warm summer day. So just having an understanding of, of how far you need to hit each club. And that was always the challenge with like in fitting days when you're working with a, a player is like, no two swings are the same. Right. We're we're highly inconsistent. So five swings with the Cobra. Great. That was a great club. He goes to ping swings differently. I don't know, just didn't didn't swing the same net club sting. So depending on when you would get the player and the right swing in time, you could win and set the club to there's there's swing habits or um, you know, the way they go with the flow of their swing. But yeah. I mean, you wanna dig into some of the products.
Speaker 6:Yeah. So you started with Garin in 2020 and you've just kind of gone all Garin, right. They're not doing any other sales or anybody else. Yeah.
Speaker 7:We're, we're full employees at garment here. Um, that's our focus and uh, just like I said, do some, you know, nonprofit volunteer work for the first tee, but um oh,
Speaker 6:Cool.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Yeah. It keeps me involved in golf, but uh, yeah, Garin is, uh, again very diverse, a lot of different conversations. I enter Garin, not knowing most of the industries that we're in. Uh, but what I, what I do bring is like humor, humility, and just good, good presentation communication skills to our account base so that, you know, they understand the core about our products. And what's nice is garment has a great support system back at headquarters to lift us up, get us over the finish line. If there are some really in the we type, uh, tech questions that are a little bit more complicated and, um, we're comfortable with so, uh, good support system to, to help us be successful in, in the field. So
Speaker 6:Yeah, that's how show and tell I've never done this before. Like I never had a show. Yeah. I mean, but like Derek has cool stuff behind him and I wanna talk about it cuz this is gonna be fun. So yeah,
Speaker 7:I lined it up, uh,
Speaker 6:Show in Intel show Intel,
Speaker 7:Uh, let's, let's start off with some of the wearables because that has been one of the quicker growing areas. So garden golf makes a solution kind of for every type of golf appetite where, uh, we have a range finder. So people have a hard time holding the range finder steady and we make a watch and then people, some people don't like wearing watches. So then we make a handheld, uh, which will provide the technology, um, as well. So a lot of different handhelds, we make three that are really specific for golf. Uh, this is the, the S 12. This is our entry level wearable. It comes in three colorways, a white, black, and a, and a light FLA, uh, blue granite. Um, but this is a, a button featured watch. Um, it's gonna give the golfer front, middle back distances. They can move the pin location here, uh, based on our location of the whole. So to give them a little bit more accuracy, but it's for, you know, that 50 to 70 year old customer, that's looking for a lightweight, inexpensive 1 99 retail watch. That's gonna just give them, uh, a lot of good golf knowledge. Uh, it's 42,000 preloaded courses on all of our wearables. And, uh, basically you arrive at the facility, you hit the play golf feature on the, on the unit and, uh, satellite picks up where you are and uh, you select that golf course. You select the tee box. You're playing. Uh, you can choose whether you want to keep score or not. And then, uh, you're ready to go. You're out there playing golf. Uh, we move on to the S 42. This is a 2 99 retail and we make this in three colorways. We see this more in the female space. It's a little, it's a smaller, it's the same head as the S 12. But, um, the watch one watch band is a white Sudan, um, Sandy type finish. So the females, uh, respond to that one. Well, but this is a color touch screen. You can touch the, uh, the green here and drag the pin around to get a more specific yardage. It has that front, middle back. You can go throughout the hole and, and see different, uh, hazards on the right to get a, a front of that distance and a carry distance. So, um, I actually like this watch when I play it's a, it's, it's a good Silicon band that, uh, when it's hot, you know, it moves still on your wrist. It doesn't get too stuck, but it has a nice auto shock detector feature. So what that means is you select the club. You're about to hit swing confirm driver, and you get out to the fairway, hopefully where your drive landed, hit your seven iron. The watch will ask you what you hit, you, you select seven iron, and then it calculates how far that drive went, uh, based on where you're standing. So it's pretty user friendly. It's easy to, you know, then build your, your metrics and, and, and numbers. Uh, I like that feature. It's, it's very, you just gotta kind of remember after each shot, but it's not that hard to do,
Speaker 6:But it's pretty fast because it's right there. It's not like you're fitting with like your phone or something else, like literally right there. And you're like, beep beep, you're done
Speaker 7:Right. That's right. And oftentimes when you go to the green, you bring several clubs. So then, you know, you select the club you're gonna hit and you toss the other ones aside, what that feature does. It doesn't allow those clubs to register as a shot. Sometimes those clubs will hit the ground. And you know, the te think about that. The technology would think that you hit a shot when you didn't. So there was some editing that you'd have to do, but that feature makes it simple. Where soon as you hit it, it senses that motion. And then you can, it notices you took a shot and then you select the
Speaker 6:Shot. So it has auto detect. So the S 12 doesn't though, right?
Speaker 7:You can measure the shot for the S 12, which is a little bit more, you know, complicated. So, um, you hit your shot, then you gotta go hit, measure, shot, and then as you walk or ride to your ball, it's, it's calculating how far you went and then you hit the button again to then once you get to your shot.
Speaker 6:Okay. So you hit your shot. So the S 12, which like about 200 bucks, you guys, you know, like that's, that's the lower end price point model. Um, it's black and white, but, but if you want to, like, you have to physically, you push a button, it measures your shot as you walk or ride to your location. Correct. That's then you kind of know how far it went, but then like I noticed on the S 12, like it says the big numbers. Right? Cause it says, it shows you front middle and back. So is that after you auto auto, did it, or is that like automatic based on satellite reception? Yeah.
Speaker 7:That, that that's updating as you're moving, so,
Speaker 6:Okay. So it was like two separate features. One's like, how far did you hit it? And the other one is more like, right.
Speaker 7:Yeah. You gotta click, you gotta click, you gotta click out of this home screen here. And like, here's, I don't know if you can see it, but it says, you know, measure shot. So then you have to select that. And then it says zero yards right now, but then you gotta start walking and then it'll, it'll pick up where, where you ended up. So little bit more work. We don't see that feature probably used too much with that customer. That's looking for that type of technology. Again, they're looking for a simple, lightweight unit for a
Speaker 6:Hundred dollars more, you have a color screen and it's auto teched and you're like, okay, cool. I don't have to do that.
Speaker 7:That's it? Which
Speaker 6:Is cool. I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, so the S 42, that is the color version, which is the body style similar to the S 12, like the construction, it just, the color screen and different.
Speaker 7:The head is the, the, the face watch size is the same as the S 12, the S like 40, 43 and a half millimeters or something like that. Um, the walk size does get bigger here on the S 62. It's about 47 millimeter. And again, another touch screen launch that has colors, great sunlight, readable screen differences here is it lays the golf hole out, uh, on the side of the, that, of the watch. So I see if I can get this, uh, there we go. So really cool feature for players that aren't familiar with, the golf course, they need, you know, dog leg or blind shot may not know that there's a hazard or bunker up there. This watch will show you, uh, exactly what that whole looks like. You can click through the buttons here to kind of get an understanding of, you know, again, lay features. If I want to hit a 200 yard shot on a part five, what is that gonna give me on my third shot? Um, you know, like I said, on, uh, the S 42, uh, distances to the front of a hazard, what it is to carry the hazard, uh, those numbers are already preloaded in there. Um, and then the auto shot detector on this unit, once you play about five rounds, six rounds, it builds up enough metrics that the virtual caddy can chime in and recommend a club selection on a part three, or even on a part five where everyone thinks you need to hit a driver on a part five. But oftentimes what that does is it brings the hazards in play, and then you may be in trouble on that hole, whereas maybe a fairway would off the tee is the smarter play keeps you short. Then you can have a more effective layup and give you a comfortable third shot onto the green to, to then maybe have a bird chance. So, um, cool technology feature there, uh, that is our most advanced golf watch at 4 99.
Speaker 6:Do you have the auto have the caddy thing too, or no? Uh,
Speaker 7:I don't think that one has the virtual caddy feature, um, but just has the auto shot, um, aspect to it. So
Speaker 6:L 62 has the virtual caddy and the auto shot stuff, but then you say in the S 62 shows the whole course, like on the screen, right? The whole on the screen, it'll show you the whole, like the actual hole, right. The that's right hazards, the whole nine yards, but, and then also the green view, right. Has green view on it. That's on the green. Yep. But does the S 62, I mean, does the S 42 have, uh, the whole course or just the green view?
Speaker 7:It has the course, but it comes across in a little bit of a different metric or a graphic. I, it's kind of hard job. Um, let's see if we can click it here. Uh, so you'll see here. I don't know if you can
Speaker 6:Oh yeah. Kind of see it. Yeah.
Speaker 7:The whole is narrow and it doesn't give a really clear description of bunkers and stuff like that, but
Speaker 6:You can click yeah. You click through isn't,
Speaker 7:It starts with like, you know, layup or, or pinpoint number or letter a. So you start with a, and then it'll say, you know, 324 yard shot gives you 150 yard, something like that. Uh, that's what it reads here on the screen. So you can, it'll, it'll map out the different parts of the hole with a hazard and, and, uh, layup features. It just doesn't have the, the detail of the golf hole, like the S 62 does
Speaker 6:Cause the S 62. I mean, it looks like the whole course with like all the, I mean, I'm looking at the graphic right now on, on garment's website. Yeah. It like has like the Creek and it'll have the sand traps and the lake, and it looks like a real full map. And I mean, it looks crazy.
Speaker 7:Yeah. It, it provides it. Um, but this
Speaker 6:Also you in the S 62, like the same that's in like the Z, um, the Z
Speaker 7:What's the Z 82. Yeah.
Speaker 6:The Z 82, where you can like see everything inside of
Speaker 7:It. It does. Yeah. I'll talk about that here in a second, but another couple cool things on, on the S 62 is also a very advanced, uh, health and wellness wearable, where as a sensor on the back to give the player, you know, risk based heart rate, daily resting, heart rate, you know, pulse, so features, body, battery, everything. Yeah. So as a sleep, um, aspect to it. So the sensors on it, they're gonna give that player a lot more off the golf course, too. They can bike ride with it, go running. It'll give them good, um, training and aspect features there. Uh, so it is, you know, for 4 99, if you're looking for something that is gonna be the most advanced golf watch we make in addition to some life off the course, um, it'll be good. Uh, so those are the dedicated golf wearables. And then we do have, uh, adventure wearables that in that include golf as well. So this is, um, I'm wearing the Phoenix, I'm holding the epics. These are, uh, new wearables that we've released in January, uh, that have 42,000 preloaded courses. But these are wearables that, um, are for people that are doing a variety of activities. They're mountain biking, they're hiking, they're running, they're swimming. It has mapping for those, you know, Nongo activities. A lot of, uh, health features. Um, the main difference in these two is the epic has what's called an, uh, amylin display. So it's very bright, vibrant dynamic while you're playing golf. I like to ski with this one. It's, um, it's great. While the sun is really bright on the slopes. Uh, but again, two of our more advanced adventure wearables that do have golf features to it, uh, Phoenix seven is a more higher premium price point at 7 99. And then epic because of that screen goes to 8 99 for retail. So, uh, for the player that wants a sleep stylish looking watch, uh, everything for, yeah, the battery life is the battery life on all of our wearables is good for, I'd say for the golf wearables, you can get about three or four rounds of golf. I'd say two to, I may take it back probably two to three rounds of golf on each wearable before having to charge it, uh, epic and Phoenix seven you'll get, you'll get more, um, more battery life, um, for the golf and then other aspects that you're doing, like swimming and biking,
Speaker 6:Or so the Phoenix seven for when it comes. Like, I didn't think, I didn't even, I don't know where I'm coming from with this question, but like, I didn't know. So the Phoenix seven, you can use it for golf though, right? I mean, even though, yeah,
Speaker 7:I mean, I have, I have it open right here. Um,
Speaker 6:Yeah, so it, oh crap. It has everything. Yeah.
Speaker 7:It's just like, it's just like the S 62 graphic and same thing with
Speaker 6:Epic. Yeah. Zs, exactly. Like it
Speaker 7:That's right. Yeah. So it's touchscreen, or you can have a touchscreen,
Speaker 6:But it's nots only a golf watch though. It's like, it's like a multi sport. You can use it for about a million other things.
Speaker 7:Exactly. I mean, it's a little, it's a thicker, it's a thicker design. It's a little bit heavier. So if the golfer doesn't care for that, uh, it may not be the right fit for them, but I've, worned playing golf. I never used to be a watch player until I came to Garvin and I noticed how good the Silicon band was and how much faster I started playing because I just looked at my wrist and the numbers were good enough. Like, I wasn't that concerned with exactly the pin number. Um, I feel like golfers would play a lot better if they weren't worried, worried about where the pin was and just kind of shocked from the middle of the green, but, uh, yeah, for our adventure wearables like Phoenix seven and epic, you can do, uh, many things beyond golf. So, but it does come with golf preloaded ready to
Speaker 6:Go. So you can use it for like running, right. Or if you wanted to use it for offroading or skiing or whatever,
Speaker 7:Right. Hiking. Yeah. It has the mapping technology, all that GPS, um, multi van usage to, uh,
Speaker 6:It's only$200 more too, right. I mean, if somebody wanted to, well,
Speaker 7:You're at 4 99 on the S 62, and then, uh, you do get into like that 7 99 and higher price range because Phoenix seven makes several different versions, uh, depending on Sapphire or solar, which is the most premium material to protect the face. Um, we make a solar version and then a non-solar so and solar. So that's what really changes with pricing and battery life. So Garin has really started to introduce solar features to a lot of our outdoor wearables, because people are outdoors a lot. They wanna maximize battery life. And that solar feature using the sun ma you know, increases that, uh, the energy of the wearable. So,
Speaker 6:I mean, does it have all this stuff where like, people can make phone calls and all that dumb stuff, or
Speaker 7:Like they're all smart watches. Yeah. Even the golf watches, you connect them to your smartphone, you get an incoming call, you can answer it from your watch and then take it on the phone. You get your, your text messages, your emails, your calendar notifications, if you want. We did introduce a watch called the venue two, plus it has a golf feature to it. They don't the watch. Isn't ready to play golf. When you show up, you have to download the course through garment connect prior to arriving. But when you do get to the course, then it will pick up, uh, the satellite. This watch though is our first one that has a, uh, microphone and speaker to it where you can, uh, make and take phone calls from the wearable without having to use your phone. Your phone needs to be in
Speaker 6:The area. I have a apple watch and I have stupid answer your phone crap. And I like never use it. Number one, I'll use it like twice a year. Um, the quality cause on quality sounds like crap. And like, you can't hear anybody and that doesn't connect sometimes. Yeah. And you're like, hold on, can you hear me? I'll crap. I'm just calling back on my cell phone. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 7:Yeah. I don't use it too much. I don't own an apple watch, but, uh, when I do have them two plus on, yeah, it's okay. I mainly use it. Like if I'm emptying a dishwasher, I'm cooking dinner and my hands are everywhere and I get a call coming in. I can just quickly like, not have to fish my phone out of my pocket or something, but, um, yeah. Yeah. Any other questions on the wearables? That's pretty much it that's
Speaker 6:Cool. I didn't know. I didn't understand. I'm glad you're like explaining it to everybody. Like kind of like the, the steps, right? Like the S 12 is the lower end one, but it's not lower end product. It's lower cost has less features, you know, and as you work your way up, quite honestly, like go to room an S 12, which is 200 bucks. Let's, you know, let's just call it$200 is 1 99, you know, and then to go to an S 42, which has color, right. Yep. A hundred dollars more and a little bit different. And then if you wanna go, like, you know, next level, there is like the S 62, which is$200 more, but it has like better map looking thing. It looks cool. Yeah. It
Speaker 7:Has little graphics
Speaker 6:Are better. So it's like, you kind of have different price points as to where people want to spend money cuz things, they might not care about that. Right. They're like, I just want something that's, you know, I want the auto detect, but I don't care about the, the, the map thing or right. Whatever it might be. So
Speaker 7:Plus I mean, they're good looking watches. They look good off the course. So, you know,
Speaker 6:Yeah. They all look cool. Like you
Speaker 7:Can pull it off in the office or dinner and it doesn't look like, you know,
Speaker 6:There's sort that dumb apple watch. That's what I
Speaker 7:<laugh>, you know, apple makes a good product. It's just different. And they service different types of features than what is we do? What is,
Speaker 6:So I have a question, cause somebody asked me this the other day, what is the approach, CT 10, what are, what are those things?
Speaker 7:So those are, uh, sensors that you screw into the butt end of the club. And, uh, it's, it's another way to help track the player and their metrics while they're out there. It's for the player that really doesn't like range starters. They don't like wearing watches and they don't want to handheld, but they want to collect their, me their metrics in a way. So, uh, you, you screw the, uh, sensors into the bottom of the club, pair each club through the garment golf app. And then, uh, it starts to pick up what you're doing while you're out there
Speaker 6:Automatically. Yeah. Like you don't tap it or anything weird
Speaker 7:Do no, no, you swing. And uh, then after the round, it syncs up to the app and it'll show you on the, each hole where you were and you probably have to do maybe a little bit
Speaker 6:Ahead there. So you need like a, the CT 10 to work with your watch or something like that. It's a completely separate system. I mean, data wise, it might not data, but like software and everything. Yeah. It's the same. But like, yeah. You're not like you don't pair the CT 10 to a watch. Right. It's just like you
Speaker 7:Would pair it with the Gar you, you can, you can use it with a watch if you wanted. Yeah. I mean, we do have a bundle kit in the S 62 that comes with three S uh, CT, 10 sensors. Those are for use of the wedges. And then the, I think the thought this was before I came onto garment, but was to get people into the CT 10 before we really had a lot of auto shop features kind of figured out and, and honed in a little bit more. That makes sense. So, but, um,
Speaker 6:So you're competing with like, with the CT tens, like the same as the Arcos essentially
Speaker 7:I can't, I it's a similar technology, similar tech, the approach, the approach is similar. I can't speak to necessarily the, the guts of the, the sensors. And I'm sure there's big differences on those, but, um, the concept is, uh, the concept
Speaker 6:Similar.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's cool. Uh, so then beyond wearables, we have, you know, three types of handhelds. Uh, this is the G 12, this is a very similar technology product to the S 12. Uh, just, it doesn't have the band. So big numbers, a lot of people just kind of clip it onto their bag, gives them real basic knowledge. You can move the flag, uh, as well. Um, you can measure the shop, um, manually, like we talked about in S 12. So 1 49 99 unit someone that just, again, basic unit that you can clip on to the scorecard on the steering wheel, stuff like that. And then, uh, the G 30, it's a 2 49 99 price point. It's a small screen, but it's color touch screen. And, uh, again goes through the, the graphics of the hole, uh, the different distances, uh, with the hazards and the front middle back. Um, so this has been in the market for a little while. Now, you can measure the shot, you can keep score on it. Um, all those, uh, simple features for, for playing and then the G 80, which was kind of our first launch monitor. And I kinda like this device cuz of the simplicity of it. But, um, it has a nice warmup feature where you place this down in the ground and you have the ball next to it and you hit the shot out into the range and it gives you an estimated carry, which is, you know, plus or minus five yards provides club head speed, ball speed, smash factor, and tempo. So for someone that's looking for, uh, uh, a GPS device while playing golf to give them their numbers and distances, this is a nice, simple warmup tool to see like what they brought to the course that day. And like I said, the conditions in the morning might be different in the afternoon. Uh, so to give,
Speaker 6:How does it register that if it, how does it pick up the smash factor and spin all that stuff?
Speaker 7:It's just a radar in there. So it's a, it's a calculation of the tech and the speed it's
Speaker 6:You put it, like if you're set up, you put it like right in front of you or where would you put that at? So
Speaker 7:The golf ball goes right here and you're hitting out that way. You're hitting out towards the range.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Um, it also has a neat, uh, target practice feature where it's kind of like top golf where you can select different distances, 50, 75, a hundred. So if you wanna work on some wedge game and hone in your distances, you'll have five swings and it'll tell you, you know, how far you hit it and if you're within the circle and uh, just give you some good, like, you know, targeted practice that, uh, is simple to use while you're, while you're playing. So that was our first, you know, so just see if I can pull up a round right here just to see. So this is kind of like the old, so like
Speaker 6:If you walk, you could use that while playing around a golf and yeah.
Speaker 7:So similar here, you, you could see the golf hole here. Yeah. Um, so you clip this on your bag and uh, it's touch screen. So you can, you know, push different parts of the hole to get, you know, what is it to this front part of the bunker, the back of it, et cetera. Um, so that was our first real launch monitor. And then, you know, we talked a little bit earlier. We did introduce last year, the R 10, this has been a, a wildly successful and very popular product
Speaker 6:Really. Um, I would never have thought that
Speaker 7:<laugh> for 5 99,
Speaker 6:That's like the holy real, like, everyone's trying to find out where Derek lives right now, because you can't find that anywhere. And I'm not being like dramatic, like it's true. Like it's been out for what, 5, 8, 9 months, right.
Speaker 7:Eight months people watched it last, you know, July or August. So,
Speaker 6:Um, yeah. And like it's still sold out. Like you cannot find it like people have given up their children for it.<laugh>
Speaker 7:Well, it's, uh, it's for many types of users, it's for the golf instructor. It doesn't have a big budget, but they want some credibility on the range. So it gives them some good metrics for, it has like over 20 different swing metrics. So it gets into the spin, the spin, it gets into the launch angle. It gets into the deviation face to path club path, those types of things that are really granular. But beyond that, so then, okay, so golf instructors, it's great for like high school or college players. That again, don't wanna spend a lot of money on, on a thousand dollars launch Mart, but they want some good numbers while they're warming up. And then just for the at home users. So like I said, we've seen this at home movement for golf lounges, uh, swing analysis. Uh, you can partner this up as a golf simulator as well. So as a garment golf subscriber, uh, you then have access to 42,000 virtual courses that are loaded into the unit. You know, you screen share to a flat screen, hit into a net, hit into a range, something like that. If you're in an indoor learning center, uh, environment, and you can, you know, play a golf course that you're excited to play next week or on a guys's golf trip, whatever it is. And just get an understanding of, of, of how that is. There's different. This
Speaker 6:Thing is like really, really, really, really, really cool. I'm just talking you guys like this thing is legit. It's like the price point is 5 99, which is like, in my opinion, it's, I mean, that's why it's flying off the shelves because of all the features it provides and how good of it is. And it's garment, in my opinion, you're beating like the monitors that are under the 4 99 mark automatically. And you know, I just, I don't have one, I've watched lots of YouTube videos on it and, um, I know. Yeah. So
Speaker 7:When you're on the, the range, just using the, um, the launch monitor feature, you can set three, you can set three preferences at the top that are the most important metrics to you. So it shows to you every time I have carry total and ball speed, uh, it'll show you kind of the trajectory. No, my lighting's tricky, but it'll show you trajectory of the shot. And then, um, these are more of the, you know, specific metrics like back side spin. This is just on an iPad, but you can use your mobile
Speaker 6:Phone. You can screen record that too, right? Like if you're using it at the range, you could screen record your iPad and your garment separately. Right. As like to see what you did, if you wanna go back and watch on, on film or something
Speaker 7:Like that. Yeah. So you can record your swing through the app. And if you're a garment, golf subscriber, garment will store those swings in the cloud. So I think I had a couple that were recorded here,
Speaker 6:So, or Derek hit a 400 yards of this
Speaker 7:Drive. Nah. Right. It's been a while since I've used it since we have this, this product unfortunately has really fallen victim to the economy and supply chain challenges out there. So we are focused on selling what we can sell<laugh> but, um,
Speaker 6:Well, yeah, I mean, you can't find, you cannot find the R 10. I mean, you can pre-order it at lots of places, but there's no guarantee you're gonna be getting anytime soon,
Speaker 7:That's it? So, but you can't record your swing, it'll store it in the cloud through garment's golf subscription app. And then, uh, are
Speaker 6:Also literally let me, so you, for the golfers out there, you could literally garment has a, can record your swing. Right. And you'll have that. And then you could also, if you wanted to, you could record on your iPad. You're the whole, you know, just using screen record, essentially, whatever it was showing. And you can actually go back and look at the whole thing. Right. And see like, oh wow.
Speaker 7:You wouldn't necessarily have to record your screen on the iPad. Like it it'll store the, each swing for you and the metrics. So you can go back at any time. Oh,
Speaker 6:That's cool. I
Speaker 7:Didn't know that. Yeah. It'll it'll record each one. Like I'm pulling up stuff from, you know, January 20, 21, uh, when I was using it. But, um, it comes with, uh, a phone Mount. You can Mount the, uh, phone onto your bag for recording purposes or just getting, uh, the basic metrics of, of what it is you're looking to do. So, um, it's been, uh, it's been good. And then beyond, beyond the launch monitor is our Z 82 range finder. So this is, uh, our 5 99 unit, but it's a very advanced, um, six X magnification,
Speaker 6:Uber super, super advanced. This is like the,
Speaker 7:Yeah. It's kind of
Speaker 6:A range finder out there.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it's a display. So, um, when you look through it, it kind of has a, a very video graphic type look to it, but it's awesome. When you, like we talked about on the S 62, it has the golf hole on the side. So it has the different numbers of bunkers and hazards. And if you're not familiar with the course, uh, it's a great asset and tool while you're out there to make you comfortable and, and hit some, uh, shots that, you know, you may normally,
Speaker 6:Um, yeah. So what happens to you guys is like, you can look down, you can look through the range finder, like a normal range finder, but then it, that map display we're talking about with the watch that shows up in the I piece like that's right. You can see like, it's crazy. It's like a screen within a screen, so you can go, like, I don't know. It's, it's sick.
Speaker 7:It's yeah, I may misspoke. It's an O L E D display. So, but it's, uh, it's a really cool dis graphic that outlines, um, like you said, the whole golf ball, you can click through it, you can. Um, and then we, we introduced a feature called green contours. So if you are a Garmin golf subscriber, what that means is it has a graphic of the green and the fall off areas and the heat spots of, of slope. So, uh, it, you know, you get the Shambo on everybody out there, but it'll give you an idea of like where not to miss it or where the steepest part of the green is. Um, if you're looking for more of a, you know, uphill pot or just kind of where not to get shortsighted. So,
Speaker 6:No, it's, it's, it's cool. What's the difference between that and the Z 80, the one before it,
Speaker 7:So Z 80 was our, one of our early adopters. I never really had much experience to it because, um, it was before I started, but I think it was, yeah, it was a, a 2d overlay. Um, the O L E D display was new for the Z 82. Um, and I think the magnification improved, uh, a little bit more on it. So, um,
Speaker 6:I mean, honestly, you guys like karma makes some really cool stuff. Like this is like nice, nice stuff. Not knock off, like Chinese made garbage, like, this is cool. Like on the cusp of technology. Like, I don't know. I just, in my opinion, I think Garmin's like the Cadillac, right? The Cadillac version, like it's good stuff.
Speaker 7:Yeah. We appreciate it. And, uh, we've seen, we've seen continued growth in the, in that category for us. And like I said, it's, it's good on the course. It's good off the course. It has a good look to it. Um, battery life is excellent and it's accurate. I mean, technology fails, like anything, we don't bat a thousand, but we're pretty, we're pretty on it. If there is an issue and, uh, Garin Garma will make it right. And, uh, yeah, just appreciate you allowing me to go through that with you and, uh, appreciate your enthusiasm on it.
Speaker 6:So you're, I didn't know this. So the G 80, right? The handheld was like your first launch monitor, quote unquote. And then it was, in your opinion, was the R 10 replacing the G 80 or it's a completely different product.
Speaker 7:Totally different product. Uh, again, you're not golfing with the R 10 it's strictly
Speaker 6:Firm. No, you're at the range or you're at home.
Speaker 7:Yeah. I mean, this has versatility on the golf course too, but, um, this is the R 10 is really great for just like I said, more in depth, uh, data analysis, video recording, uh, virtual golf, uh, being able to compete, you know, in a virtual tournament with your friend that might live across the country. You can set that up through the, through the garment golf app. Yeah. You're not really bringing it onto the golf course for any type of, um, information. We talk
Speaker 6:About this one, but it it's cuz it it's a lower price point. So like the, when it comes to the small handheld GPSs, like you have the G 12, right. Which is like the S 12 in a way, but it's not, it's a wearable. What is the G 10? Was that like, that was a precursor to the G 12.
Speaker 7:That's right. G 12 just updated to the G 10, um, little bit bigger head.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Bigger head heads. Not square. I mean
Speaker 7:Right. Little bit better battery life. Whenever new product comes out, always immediately assume little bit better battery life. What's the big difference. Little bit better battery life, squeeze up work.
Speaker 6:So what is there, is there any, I mean you might not know, or you might know, I mean, is there new garments stuff coming out this year in golf? Possibly
Speaker 7:Our golf line is pretty set for this year. We're always evaluating, uh, potentially new technologies, but where we sit here today, what I showed you will, will get you through the 20, 22 season.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cuz you are 10, even though it launched last fall or last summer fall, it's still like, I don't feel it has its legs underneath it yet. Cause it doesn't. Yeah, it hasn't sold enough units cuz it's because of, there's not enough units to be sold. I mean, honestly that's,
Speaker 7:If we could make it, we would believe us. Uh oh yeah.
Speaker 6:I mean there's all kinds. I mean I talked to a lot of brands and the tech issues overseas is not good. Right. Like, and it's slow,
Speaker 7:Everybody's facing it. I mean, yeah. Everybody in variety industries, you know, unfortunately we're not immune to a lot of these, uh, aspects, but um, it's still great to have a lot of excitement and buzz around it and people are becoming understanding.
Speaker 6:It's kind of cool. Right. Because it, it is eight, nine month old product that people are still excited about. Right? Yeah. That's you don't see that. It's not like it's not, it's already like, oh I came out last year, but whatever, you know,
Speaker 7:It's and uh, I mean we were PGA show and it was by far, uh, the most talked about product in our booth and it's helped us get into a lot of like Greengrass facilities that we weren't previously in. It was a nice gateway to have them introduce wearables and handhelds and arrange finder to, um, really, like you said, introduce the, the, the breadth of, of what our technology offers on the golf course. And in addition, so some of the wearables off the course as well,
Speaker 6:So I can't wait to get one, honestly,
Speaker 7:Like we'll work on it.<laugh>
Speaker 6:I mean, I'm not trying, I'm just saying like, I think one day whenever I do get one, I'm a big side to get it. Like I think it's really product. I think all products are cool. Honestly. I mean, I can't think of one. I can like all things, a piece of crap, like, no, they're all cool. Like they're all cool. All my opinions. So I'm really happy to have you on the show. I really appreciate you taking time on your busy day and you know, sharing with us like more about you and the garment what's going with garment and all the different product lines. I really enjoy the show and tell us actually like, because I've never had that before, but it's kind of cool because you guys have a lot of products. It's not like, oh, we make one thing or, you know, four things, it's all the same thing. It's like, yeah. It's like, they're all different. And they all have different reasons. And I don't know. And I just think of Carmen, I just think like high quality. And so I'm really happy to have you on the show.
Speaker 7:Yeah, no, we appreciate that feedback, Paul and the kind words and uh, just thanks to everyone we watched and hope you get to get out there the season with some Garing golf.
Speaker 6:Oh, I do. I have a couple boxes of some stuff over here behind me, so good. I'm gonna start playing. I got some watches that just came in something else I can't remember, but um, awesome. I'm excited to start testing. He's been playing with him. So thank you for being on the show. Yeah. And if you guys, I mean wanna probably anything Garin is garin.com. I mean,
Speaker 7:Or we have a dealer locator as well on there to get a better understanding of who's selling Garin, uh, closest to you. Uh, and you might be able to pick it up same
Speaker 6:Day. So just look up Derek's name.
Speaker 7:I'm going. Yeah, don't look me out.<laugh> just kidding. Um, we'll try to help you out if you're in Western PA. Yep.
Speaker 6:<laugh> if you're not, maybe you have a cousin that lives there or something. So then the reason to just kidding,
Speaker 7:We're all in the same, uh,
Speaker 6:Show community. And I will host you guys in the next episode.
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