Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore

#80 - Glovelast: Adam Hollis (Founder)

June 27, 2022 Paul Liberatore Season 3 Episode 80
Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore
#80 - Glovelast: Adam Hollis (Founder)
Show Notes Transcript

We made it to Episode 80 of the Behind the Golf Brand Podcast.  In this week's episode, I interview my good friend Adam Hollis, the founder of Glovelast. 

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Speaker 1:

Today we play golf. Let me show you how we do it in the pros. Welcome to behind the golf brand podcast. I never missed with the seven nine a conversation with some of the most interesting innovators and entrepreneurs behind the biggest names in golf. My friends were the golf clubs. I lived on the golf course. I lived on the driving range from pro talk. You should learn something from each and every single round you play to fun from on and off the green. Why would you play golf? You don't play it for money. Just let me put the ball in a hole. This is behind the golf brand podcast with Paul liberatory.

Speaker 2:

What's up guys, Paul from golfer's authority. Welcome to the behind the golf brand podcast. We are on episode 80. That is crazy. This week. I have my good friend, Adam Hollis from glove last, if you guys dunno what glove lasted, it's a sick accessory use that you've like put your glove into and it makes sure it doesn't get all crinkly and like jacked up and like, it's really cool. So I'm really excited to have Adam on the show today. So without further ado, how are you today, Adam?

Speaker 3:

I'm good, man. How are you, Paul? Appreciate you having me on man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2:

So like I've met Adam kind of like a year ago, but we never really talked until about, I don't know, like a month ago. And I was like trying to get ahold of this guy. He's like, he's so popular that I wasn't able

Speaker 3:

To<laugh> but just cause I was, you mean cuz I was I'm I'm an entrepreneur. So I was depressed and cuddled in my, in the fetal position. Not answering emails and calls, watching golf. That's right. But say

Speaker 2:

Like RM, were you listening to RM too at the same time?

Speaker 3:

So good.<laugh> shiny. Shiny hap shiny, happy people.

Speaker 2:

No, everybody hurts. Like I remember when I turned 40,

Speaker 3:

Everybody hurts.

Speaker 2:

Um, I was, I was at my law office and like my wife, like S balloons in my office and. And so like I went in and it was always balloons as happy birthday and I just turned 40 and I was like, oh my God. And so then at like some point I just turned on like on my phone, like everybody heard from RM and it was just the funny thing. Cause my paralegals like crying, she's laughing so hard. She's like, you're so depressed. I'm like, huh? I'm like, yep.

Speaker 3:

Are you a buffet fan?

Speaker 2:

No. Are you,

Speaker 3:

Have you ever heard the song? A pirate? A pirate looks at 40.

Speaker 2:

No, I should.

Speaker 3:

Oh you gotta listen. You gotta listen when you turn 40 that's that song needs to become a staple in your arsenal. Great beach song. Good beach

Speaker 2:

Music. I feel like you like turned 40. I I think in the last couple years, just like you start realizing like time's going by really fast. Like you're like, yeah, you still think you're in high school,

Speaker 3:

Right? Wait until you hit 50.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't. I like that.

Speaker 3:

<laugh>

Speaker 2:

Well then you started thinking like, oh, I'm gonna retire soon. Like my father-in-law's retired at like 70 or something. And I looked at him and I was like, oh, are you gonna do? And he's like, oh grand, this and this. And I was like, yeah. Right. And then, uh, course they haven't done it, but I was like, I don't wanna start my life at 70. Right. Like I want to like do what I wanna do now. Yeah. Not when I'm like, not being able to, you know, like I'm outta shape or medical issues or whatever, you know?

Speaker 3:

Right. Like,

Speaker 2:

Right. So you gotta live life now. Have fun.

Speaker 3:

How many of your guests comment on that? Cool. Arnold Palmer print behind you?

Speaker 2:

Probably like over half. I love that thing. I saw it. I don't know. It's on Etsy. Somebody painted that. It's not really it's like print, but somebody actually found the picture and then did a stylish painting of it. It wasn't that much money, but I was like saw like it was the coolest thing

Speaker 3:

I told you. I think. Did I tell you about the Palmer Nicholas? The one called

Speaker 2:

That picture you got where it was like for, I went and Googled it right? As where like yeah. Nicholas is paying Palmer.

Speaker 3:

It's the coolest. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

It's like a snapshot in time, right? Like it's almost like, I don't know. That's

Speaker 3:

No, I, no, I think it's a paying Jack. It's ARN paying Jack.

Speaker 2:

Those Jack paying a on the ground. I'm 40. You're 50 dude. So,

Speaker 3:

But they memory

Speaker 2:

First photo.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's

Speaker 3:

Such a great photo. The bet.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it is. Cause I didn't know it existed. I was like, oh, that's so cool. And that's what I love about golf. Right. I guess like when people, I put it, like, why do you golf? It's like a million reasons why I golf. You know? It's not like it changes every day. That's the best way I can say it. Like, you know, and I,

Speaker 3:

I think in every round you'll see something or somebody will say something that you've never heard. You ever laugh more than you laugh when you're on, on the golf course.

Speaker 2:

No.

Speaker 3:

I mean, it's just, just, it's

Speaker 2:

Like therapy. You could be doing so bad, but it's still therapy. Like I think as guys get older, it's like you miss hanging out with your friends, right? Like, like you did when you were eighteens and you know, you're in teens and in your twenties. Cause like when start getting married and have kids and like the whole thing, like you don't hang out as much. And I think like when you go golfing, usually golf with at least one person, you know, but by have you ever noticed, like by the end of that 18 holes, you're friends with the other two guys that you just met, like yeah. Like that almost happens all the time, right? Yeah. It's never weird. Like I've never had that situation. Like I could have been the worst round of my entire life and we're still cool. You know? And like people are buying beers for each other or like, Hey let's exchange phone numbers. Let's play again. I don't know like

Speaker 3:

Happen. Right. Where else could you go? Right? You, you, you go with a buddy, you meet other two other guys. You don't even know him. Maybe you just get paired together. And then three holes later guy that you had just met goes, Hey, I'm gonna get, you know, I'm getting something from the cart. You guys want anything?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Right. Complete stranger.

Speaker 3:

Like you couldn't walk into a restaurant and have somebody walk over to your table and go, uh, Hey, can I pick up your dinner tonight? Yeah. Can I buy you a couple of drinks

Speaker 2:

Talking to each other? Right. A crap guys. You don't even know. Like, I mean, I guess if you're in a,

Speaker 3:

The first green it's respectful. I think I, I feel like it's respectful off the first tee. Right. Everybody's just trying to like, okay, how far

Speaker 2:

Does each other out? It's it's like, who's alpha dog. Right? You like, it's a good one here. Right. And you, nobody wants to hit it into the street or the houses. Right. They're like, oh please. The fairway. Just please get in the fairway. I'm not my I'm use my iron. Right. I'm iron. Right. Done that a lot too. I I've done that a lot too.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. I'll I'll, it's kinda like a bad as yeah, no, I, I, I won't even go to the iron if I'm, uh, I'll I'll maybe hit like a five wood or a three wood and just try and hit a little, little cut and hopefully find, find the grass who cares how far it is. So I took my go.

Speaker 2:

I played on, I played on this is actually really cool. So on Sunday I played at an air like so on Arizona, there's Luke air force base. Right. And they actually have their own, they have their own course. And it's actually really nice. But the only way you can get on is if you're like veteran or active military, essentially. Right. You come as a guest. Right. But like if you book it, so that was really cool, but it's like an hour drive from my house. So I go there and I played like crap, but I really, but I really kept my score. And I was like, well, I'm not as bad as I thought I was. Right. Number one.<laugh> but like I still, I I'm Jones gonna go back out. I'm gonna try to go back out later today. Like I'm almost on a MI, like literally I'm on a mission now is like, I want to get my real handicap and I want to be like, this is it. This is where I'm at everybody. You know? I'm just like, you I'm full of. And I don't like hit in the eighties, like I used to. Right. Yeah. And then like, okay, everything I do after that is gonna be like me getting better essentially.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Where, where is this course? What town

Speaker 2:

It's in? Like Glendale, waddle, wel I, you say it it's like right next to the air force base. And this air force base has like almost Sunday. So it's quiet. But like, they always take pictures of this course. And there's like F 22 S and like flying over the course and like doing like touch and goes and stuff

Speaker 3:

Like that. So you have to be guest of, of, of military or retired military.

Speaker 2:

I think a person who books has to be a veteran or an active military person of in some sort. I, I think semi-private, I don't know it, there was lots of retired people there, but you just tell it's a military. It's not on the base. It's right next to the base. Mm-hmm<affirmative> but you could tell the guy I was playing with. I said, I love playing with military people. Like, they're just like so nice and like polite and like yes sir. No, sir. Ma'am like, I don't know. It was just really cool. I don't know. I had a good time.

Speaker 3:

Um, what would you say if somebody stepped on your line and you had like an eight footer for birdie,

Speaker 2:

I'd probably make it. I'd probably get lucky on that. I wouldn't even care. I don't

Speaker 3:

Care. Like you just stepped.

Speaker 2:

I mean, honestly, I'm not that good to care enough about it. Right. Cause I already shake I one ball under the, I hit this one shot. I was literally like 60 yards from the green. Right. It was open fairway and there was this little lake to the left. Right. Like not even in my line. And then somebody imagined it in the lake. Like I hit it like five feet and it rolled down the hill into the lake and I lost my ball. Like that's where I was at yet on Sunday. So I would looking at my score. I was kind of thinking like, my buddy showed me a way of like keeping scores. So you can kind of like, see like where you're messing up at. Right. And I was like, okay, I need to work on my driver. Cause like have a, how ton of balls cause of that. But

Speaker 3:

I D right. Not in the fairway, how many putts you're taking? Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I wanna know that I wanna, where I'm struggling. The other thing is I got new clubs. And so that was the first time I played my new clubs that were fitted, but there were, they were longer than my old club. So now essentially I have to like reteach myself how to swing. Cause everything's just different, right? Like, yeah. It's just not the right. I mean, it's the right length now. But so I mean, it was, I did, I don't know. Not good, but it's fun. So who cares about Paul? This is about Paul's show. This is the Adam hollow show. I care about Paul. At least somebody cares about me. You're

Speaker 3:

An interesting,

Speaker 2:

So here's a story. I know some stuff about Adam already. Cause we talked like a couple weeks ago and I was like, I thought he was full of it. I wouldn't think he was full of it. I was like, seriously. It's true.

Speaker 3:

Um, no, you were among a large swath of people that think I'm full of it, including

Speaker 2:

Your wife.

Speaker 3:

No doubt.

Speaker 2:

So I Googled like what? He, I like, I didn't Google him, but like I went in and I was like, seriously and he's like, oh yeah, I did this. And so I'm, I was fascinated by it. So let's start from the beginning. Did you, you're not a professional golfer, right?

Speaker 3:

<laugh>

Speaker 2:

You think you are, but you're not

Speaker 3:

For as no Paul seriously, for as many rounds as I've played in my life, I may be the worst golfer on the planet. For as much as I've played, I may be the worst.

Speaker 2:

I'm a bear behind you then.

Speaker 3:

And I'm trending in the wrong direction.

Speaker 2:

So when you, did you like grow up, playing golf, like with your family, with your dad, your grandparents, like anything or like what

Speaker 3:

My dad didn't play now. My dad lives out in Arizona now and plays a bunch, uh, and works in

Speaker 2:

Beso.

Speaker 3:

Right? He does. He does. And he,

Speaker 2:

But on, we can hang out.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. I wanna go to the waste management badly, be on six be I want, I wanna be in the stadium baby. That's I've been there. That's on my bucket list, but yeah, no, I just had some friends that played, you know, I was a, I played football and basketball and baseball and all that stuff. And then we, there, there was a cool little course, long island, Huntington, long

Speaker 2:

Island. So then you grew up in long island, just kind of play like everybody else. Right. I just played for fun. I put my dad, he me off. Yeah. Because he'd be like, oh, you're doing it wrong. And then I'd be like, whatever, like yesterday my dad, my dad comes in over yesterday. He's like, oh, if you a new way of training, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh Jesus, here we go. Yeah. And so then he like shows it to me. He is like, all right, now you try. And I try like one time and started yelling at me. I'm like, all right, I'm done. You can leave. I'm like, I'm like, I don't wanna do your dumb, new ivestment method. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

But, um, when I started playing more, when I was in college and then I would come home and I worked at, uh, as a bar back, you know, with a bunch of my buddies from high school, at this bar in Huntington and you know, it would close and we would go to Beth page and do the get in line, you know, did the sleep in the car thing a million times, we usually play the reason

Speaker 2:

Why we play. Right. The fun

Speaker 3:

Stories. Love. I love the red and the blue golf course at Beth page, you know, played the black a bunch of times. But I mean, that thing, well they, all the courses ate me up, but I always loved the, the Beth page red. That was always the course I loved the most. I don't know why it just, you know, I just kind of liked it. Uh, the black was always tough. The black was always tough. You know, they didn't cut the rough, you know, this was long before it became a tour stop. It was long before. I mean, I think the only professional tournament had ever, it was like some beer open or something like that. I don't know if it was like Schlitz open or pass blue ribbon open or something like that, but it had a lot of amateur. So that's when I started playing really, you know, when I was in college and had a couple, where

Speaker 2:

Did you go to college?

Speaker 3:

Albany. In New York. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

What did you do in college? Like what'd you major in

Speaker 3:

Communications? Can't you tell,

Speaker 2:

Did you do last, did you do last speeches? I took a communications class in college. It was hilarious because my teacher, did

Speaker 3:

You ever do a Toastmaster?

Speaker 2:

No, my toast Toastmaster though. Dude,

Speaker 3:

I did, I did a couple of those.

Speaker 2:

He was like in it for a I'm in the eighties. Like he was like, like the president of his chapter and like, yeah. I mean, he's really good. My dad's really good talking.

Speaker 3:

So he, he passed that along. He passed. He gave you that gift. Look at that. He gave you that gift

Speaker 2:

That's survival right there, man.<laugh> that's not, there's not gift

Speaker 3:

<laugh> survival.

Speaker 2:

That's survival, like being an only child. That's like, you know what little, um, right. So you went, you grew up in long island, you went to all way for undergrad and then outta college. What'd you do? Like, what was your first job?

Speaker 3:

So I had a, I had a job at a, at an advertising firm in New York and

Speaker 2:

In the nineties.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, yeah. Nineties then moved to Chicago and started. That was when I started thinking about, uh, lived with a couple of buddies. And that is when I started thinking about coaching football and that's kind of, when I started coaching football, I was, um, you know, had just kind of different jobs and, uh, worked as a runner on the Chicago board of options exchange for a little bit. And then

Speaker 2:

Yet, or no,

Speaker 3:

No, no, but you're living

Speaker 2:

In Chicago, like making good money and like,

Speaker 3:

Oh, I don't, I wasn't making good money. I wasn't making no, no. I was a runner, terrible and like run and get the things and bring'em back. The tickets, bring'em back the trade tickets. And that's when I started coaching football. So my first job was at a division three school. Um,

Speaker 2:

How'd you get that job? Like why, how, what qualifications did you have to get that job?

Speaker 3:

I didn't, well, not, not much other than a willingness to, you know, try and learn, you know, played football. So I knew football, uh, a little bit and uh, just wanted to do it. And so, you know, this, this guy, he actually didn't hire me. His name is Jim brown, but spelled B R a U N great guy. And, um, he, he had an opening for like an assistant defensive backfield coach, you know, DB's coach. He offered it to somebody else. He called me, told me, offered it to somebody else. And then a couple weeks later that guy turned it, you know, found another job and left. And so he called me and I said, I'll take it. It was$6,000

Speaker 2:

For the season. Yeah. Or month for the year. Shut up. Not for the whole year. For the year. The school year or the whole, yeah, go

Speaker 3:

Year, year mm-hmm<affirmative>. Yeah. Through recruiting.

Speaker 2:

So that was not your fulltime job unless you were living in like a trailer or

Speaker 3:

Something. Oh, I was just doing other, uh, at that point then I started doing other odd jobs. I was

Speaker 2:

Random stuff.

Speaker 3:

Right. Painted houses. I did whatever. Yeah. And then, uh,

Speaker 2:

How old were you when this was going on?

Speaker 3:

Oh man. I was in my late twenties, mid twenties, late twenties. Then I got a job at the university of Chicago and that job paid me a little bit more and it had, uh, kind of a stipend for housing. So then that was pretty cool. They do the university of Chicago. Yeah. I'm gonna see if I can get this right. Okay. They dropped football. It's an amazing story. Like that's AMO Alonzo stag. That's like the start of football, right. It's Chicago, Michigan, Stanford. You know, those are the, and then like Carnegie Mellon and you know, just, those are like the big back then I'm talking about like early 19 hundreds, right? So they had this coach Aus Alonzo stag, Theo Roosevelt. The president is trying to get rid of college football. So they have to come up with something. And stag had been practicing the forward pass at the university of Chicago. And he's, you know, there's only a handful of, you know, there's only a handful of college football teams at this point, you know, as Princeton and Rutgers and Michigan and blah, blah, blah. And he comes to the rules committee with the forward pass and he says, I think this is how we can have less people die because guys were dying, playing football, dying. So he it's, it's an amazing story. And so they, the forward pass saves football. Well then the university of Chicago, most of their great teams, those weren't students at the university of Chicago, it wasn't like the student athletes that we know today that like go to class and you know, are at the school. These, they would train these guys in from all over the place to just play and represent the university of Chicago. In fact, I think the first ever all American from the university of Chicago is the guy by the name of Walter Eckers saw. I believe he never even stepped foot on the campus other than play football.

Speaker 2:

He's just an athlete.

Speaker 3:

He was just, yeah. Yeah. So the, then the university of Chicago got a new president. They had all these different things going on. They had players that weren't going to the school and he drops football. He said it was football is to the mission of what a college or what a university is supposed to be. And then they brought it back in like the late seventies. So the guy I worked for there that hired me, um, in the late nineties, mid, mid to late nineties guy, by the name of Dick Maloney, he had been, you know, university of Pennsylvania as the offensive coordinator. Who's in the Canadian football league for a while. Then he came back and took the Chicago job and he hired me and it was a lot of fun and, you know, division three football, some of the smartest people you'll ever be around. I mean, these kids were brilliant. It was amazing just to be around

Speaker 2:

Him. I didn't even know. University of Chicago had a team though.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. The Maroons baby, the monsters of the, they were okay. Paul, listen, they were the Mon you know how the bears are known as the monsters of the midway, the university of Chicago. That was, they were the monsters of the midway before the bears were even around, before professional football.

Speaker 2:

Any of

Speaker 3:

This. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Well, I, when I, so I went to Purdue for undergrad and like, we're the boiler makers, right? So like what's a boiler maker. I had no idea what that was. And so then like,

Speaker 3:

Isn't it a drink?

Speaker 2:

No, we had that too. But like the story was is that the Purdue football team in like the 1870s or something like went and hired, there's a, there's a city just north of Lafayette called okay. The name of it anyway, Warsaw. Right. Warsaw, I guess. And so I guess they made trains there. Right. And they made boilers for the train, like steel, like, you know, locomotive. And so what the Purdue football team was taking the guys from there, these big buff, huge dudes making trains and made'em part of the football team. And so then when we started beating everybody, they started calling us the boiler makers because of the put down, right. Like, oh, like we're kind of like low, low,

Speaker 3:

They're not Purdue students. Right. Right. And

Speaker 2:

So like, we're like, that's right. That's who we are. And that's how we got our names. That's why our guys, Purdue, Pete with the big hammer. Right. Like, which I think is just so fascinating because it's like, I don't know. It's like a real reason, you know, not like, oh, we're the, we're the birds. Right. Or something. Um,

Speaker 3:

Hey, ask you a question at Purdue. Is there like a big bus system that goes around the campus at west Lafayette? Cuz it's so big.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So there was a guy I coached with. He was, he, he played at Purdue, uh, I guess Joe tiller days and father. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, was a walk on wide receiver and um, went Chad brown. He went back to be a graduate assistant there and he was running some stuff across campus and a couple of the coaches were jogging and he looked over cuz he wasn't paying attention and here came a bus and he like jumped up and the bus hit him and you know, hammered the brakes. But it, they, they nicknamed him bug cuz it was like a bug.

Speaker 2:

Oh the

Speaker 3:

<laugh> so that's that's my intro to Purdue.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah. I was at Purdue, like late nineties. So I was there when like mm-hmm<affirmative> like Joe tiller got hired my, my junior year. No, my freshman year.

Speaker 3:

And he came and cranked, he came and cranked it up and made football fun. Didn't

Speaker 2:

He? And then he got drew Brees. So like drew Brees was in my psychology class, my sophomore year, but he was a red shirt freshman. So he wasn't like nobody. Right. He's nice.

Speaker 3:

Who's good. There was another quarterback before Bri that was drafted.

Speaker 2:

I can't think of his name. The last like good quarterback before Bruce was Jim Everett.

Speaker 3:

Like Jim Everett. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Like it was crazy cuz like we were good in like 1980 something. Right. Yeah. And then last time we, before that was 1960 something and that's when we had what's that dude's name? His son's a caster. Um, greasy Bob greasy was our quarterback.

Speaker 3:

Bob greasy.

Speaker 2:

Remember him?

Speaker 3:

Yeah. You got some NFL hall of fam. That's an NFL hall of Famers right there.

Speaker 2:

I know. It's crazy. So I was there when Purdue, Purdue was good, like, well pretty Purdue was, we were my freshman year, my sophomore year we got good and we like started beating teams that would destroy us. And like the first game we actually really won was against Notre Dame. And we went crazy because we hadn't beat Notre Dame in like 19 years or something crazy like that. And we beat them and then we threw our goal post in the river. I remember that. And so then, but then after like that was the best times we call, what we used to do is like you could get a Coke or you know, Coca-Cola or something at the game it's called the tiller chiller. So it was like a big glass, the big straw on it. Right. So we'd hide like, you know, Jim beam or like something

Speaker 3:

Jack Daniels, whatever. Yeah. Jack

Speaker 2:

We'd bring boa bags. Right. Those like mountain band bags. Oh

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Put,

Speaker 2:

Pushed up against our butt or something like that. Then we got frisk we got in and you wouldn't feel it. And then we fill that whole thing. The whole tiller chiller. I'll never forget that. Like with like alcohol

Speaker 3:

That time. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then went to a rose bowl, then went to rose bowl in 90 or 2000 rose bowl for the first time. And we lost to Washington, which really sucked to. But that was a good,

Speaker 3:

Did you go out to the rose bowl of the game? Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I like my fraternity brothers had flown out here and then about six of us drove to LA and then another fraternity brother. His, he lived in LA cuz family did. So we stayed with them and we like did the whole thing. It was the best trip ever, man. It was like, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Just did you go to the parade?

Speaker 2:

No, we missed the parade.

Speaker 3:

I wonder why.

Speaker 2:

Cause I'm not a hundred year old lady that unfortunately

Speaker 3:

<laugh>

Speaker 2:

I went to Disneyland though. I'll say I went to Disneyland. That's good. I knew a lot of the guys on the team. Like when I lived at Purdue, like, well I lived off campus my senior year, so I'm like, I like my, my apartment building area. There was like a bunch of guys on the team and my next were neighbors were on the team. And so I became good friends with those guys. So it was really cool to like I knew these guys. I was like excited for'em and like they're all like their asses off and oh, but like that that's that year, I think in 2000, like half our team got drafted. Right. Like, um, I remember like there was a guy who played for the Patriots, Matt light. He's a lineman. Yeah. And like I remember when he got drafted, cause he was like a like first, second round draft. Oh yeah. I remember I saw him the next day on campus and he was like all decked out in Patriot's gear from like head to toe. Right. And it was like, it was really cool to see that, but football story. So you go to the university of Chicago,

Speaker 3:

He was about to get paid.

Speaker 2:

Oh he got paid big time. Right. Cause he took all the super bowl and now he is like, oh yeah, BKU rich. Um, cause he is there for all the super bowls.

Speaker 3:

Um, so I go from Chicago to the university of Rhode Island.

Speaker 2:

So how long were you in Chicago? For

Speaker 3:

Two years.

Speaker 2:

Okay. And you, I go to Rhode Island,

Speaker 3:

Go to the university of Rhode Island and I coach running backs there around a lot of really, really good coaches. It's fantastic. I meet my wife. It's good stuff. And uh, no time for golf. That's the one thing about coaching, you know, college football, high school football whate you just don't have a lot of time to, to play golf. But there were a couple of really nice golf courses there around the area, but I go to university of Rhode Island and I'm there for two years meet my wife. And uh, it was really, you know, just around some good coaches like pat Dozi the head coach at pit was there just good, good coaches worked for a great guy, worked for a great guy, Floyd, Keith, one of the funniest human beings ever. And uh, and then went from Rhode Island to Dartmouth and I was there for nine years and then, uh, went from Dartmouth. I think

Speaker 2:

Every school's like another step up. Right. Like essentially

Speaker 3:

Like, so, so I go from, yeah, so I go from Rhode Island to Dartmouth. So now I'm up the east coast and then, then finished up my career, you know, didn't know I was gonna finish up my career, but I get hired at Princeton and I go to Princeton and uh, end up, uh, you know, coach an offensive line there. And, and a lot of the guys, the guy that was the guy that was the offensive coordinator at Dartmouth when I was at Dartmouth in the first couple of years, became the head coach at Princeton. And then I eventually talked my way into him, hiring me. So ended up, ended up at Princeton and then, uh, you know, kind of middle of the night kind of a weird deal. We didn't think we were, you know, in trouble. Uh, at least not that year. And uh, you know, athletic director decided he was gonna make a change. So got fired. And my, we moved my wife and I moved from central Jersey. Uh, we stayed with her folks in Pittsburgh for a couple months. And then we rented a house down here in Nashville. And that was in June of 2010 and never left. You knows like I wasn't, that was, I wasn't planning on getting out of coaching. It just kind of happened.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Cause like, what do you do when that happens? Right. Like you have to go find another job and run, have to go move somewhere else. And now you gotta do. It's probably like not, I mean, it's probably more than just debilitating. It's more like, do I really wanna do this again? You know? And like, cause it's gonna rinse and repeat, right? Like, I mean, you, you only have so much success for so long. Right. And there's gonna be a change in the guard or the athletic<inaudible> move. He leaves. And now like I wanna bringing all my people and it's like, right. I mean, it's like the NFL, right? It's like, what do they call it Sunday when everyone gets fired or that

Speaker 3:

Monday? Yeah. Black Monday black, Monday black Monday. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's you feel like when you're coaching, you feel like you're constantly, you're in a constant state of networking, which has kind of served me well as an entrepreneur, but you're you, you're almost always like, Hey, you know, not sure what's going on here or you know, I don't think I'm gonna get promoted. So, you know, or I'd like to go make some more money or, you know, my wife's from this area, we kind of like to, I kind of like to coach in that part of the country. So you're always kind of networking and looking just in case it, in case it happens, you know, in case you get fired, like you're saying the athletic director, new ad comes in, new president comes in, whatever it is. You're not winning enough, enough games. You're not doing it the right way. Your kids aren't graduating. It could be a million different reasons. Why a staff there's only so much staff gets

Speaker 2:

Control. Right. You've only controlled this much of what's happening and that's, what's on happening on the field during like, that's it. Right. So it's like everything else it's like,

Speaker 3:

You can do. I love my time at Princeton. I had no irons in the fire I had, I had very limited options when it happened. We were pretty, we were pretty taken aback.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Yeah. You were blindsided. You weren't like expecting

Speaker 3:

It. Yeah. So I come down here and, you know, planning on getting back into coaching and we just kind of get out of the Jersey area and decided we wanted to live in a new place. And my girls turned four and two years old here, timeframe. And um, lo realized how much I loved being around them and just being, you know, being home for dinner and you know, cubby time, reading bed, time stories. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

You're not team is no longer the family. Right. That's

Speaker 3:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Like you have a family. It's not like, you know, right. Is it, what's the, what's the value of sacrificing that, right? Like, because you only have 18 years and it's like,

Speaker 3:

And the soul searching I had to do, you know, and I don't wanna make it seem like I, you know, sat up, you know, smoking cigars and drinking scotch, staring at the blue sky, thinking about it. But you know, what I had to decide was what was gonna be, you know, was I gonna be identified by who I am or what I did? And so a lot of, I think people, that's

Speaker 2:

A very big question that a lot of people, like, I feel in, in relation to that, it's like, I feel like the first half of your life, you're tr you're trying to chase money. You're trying to chase prestige. You're trying to chase title, whatever it is. And then you come to a realization that's all. Like yeah. That none of that matters at the end of the day. Right? Like,

Speaker 3:

So, so a guy, guy, I shared an office with okay. At, at Dartmouth, uh, well I was with him at Dartmouth and I was with him at Princeton. He's one of, one of my best friends mentor. He has this theory about coaching and he says, there's three stages of coaching. The first is the, uh, idealistic stage. You start coaching college football. And you're like, I love this. I love being on the grass. I love, you know, I love watching film. I love game planning. You love all that. And I could do this forever for free. I love it that much. And he said, and then you graduate from the idealistic stage into the ego stage and you start looking around and you're like, well, wait a minute, he's making$55,000 as the wide receiver coach over there. I'm a better coach than him. He's making 75 grand as the, you know, the coordinator at that school. I'm better coach than that guy. So you go from idealistic to the ego stage. And then there's the last stage, which is the mercenary stage. Show me the money. So then you get to the point where you don't care. If you're coaching the long snapper and the right guard, as long as you're getting paid, you don't care. And so you can actually see it. Like you could look at bios of, you know, college football or professional football coaching staffs, and you can kind of see like, oh, that guy's in the idealistic stage that guy's in the ego stage. That guy there he is in the mercenary stage. So it was good to always, you know, kind of have that perspective, you know? And I went from, I, I went from one stage to the other and I can, I can see it. And I can tell you what,

Speaker 2:

When you left football, what stage do you think you're in?

Speaker 3:

Oh, I was in the ego stage.

Speaker 2:

Cause you've done it for so long. You're at a,

Speaker 3:

I was in the, I wasn't quite in the mercenary stage because I wanted to become a head coach. That's kind of why I like, that's why I like being an entrepreneur. That's why I love the, I love the fact that what I do with glove last, cause it gives me the opportunity to be a head coach that I never got in football.

Speaker 2:

You're a coach yourself. Right?

Speaker 3:

Coach. I coached, I coached

Speaker 2:

The team. Yeah. Yeah. Your team, whatever that might be. Right. Like that's

Speaker 3:

Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's a good analogy. So

Speaker 3:

That's

Speaker 2:

Coaching football and you moved Tennessee, you packed up the truck and you moved to Tennessee

Speaker 3:

Basically. Yeah. Uhhuh

Speaker 2:

Pills there is. And when did you start thinking about glove last? Like your idea?

Speaker 3:

So I had a, kind of a regular group of guys that I played with. So sometime in like 2013, we had been here for about three years. I was working as a, I was a sales guy for a high school sports streaming company. You know, I went out, I can tell you exactly when it happened. We had a tee time on Saturday morning, bunch of guys that I had started playing with pretty regularly. I went, I did the trip over to golf galaxy, bought the dozen Titleless provs. I bought it, I bought some teas and I bought a new FootJoy FootJoy golf love. And you know, went back, marked up the balls, the way I wanted'em I was, you know, super jacked, you know, it's gonna be a nice Saturday. We're gonna go play and uh, you know, Velcro the glove to my strap on my back. So get to the driving range the next morning and can't find the glove. So, you know, where's my new glove just paid whatever 30 bucks for it the night before. So I get in the car and I don't even warm up cuz I like retrace my steps. Maybe it came off. You know, when I checked in at the pro shop or whatever, I can't find the glove. So it's our turn to tee off. And I go to the first tee and I pull out this stinky crinkly, nasty glove that I wasn't planning on using outta my bag. But at least I had something and I'm rubbing it in the Dew and I'm spitting on it, trying to get it ready. So that's when I had the idea was like halfway through that round, cuz I had to buy one at the turn cuz I poked the hole through that one because it was, you know, dry and whatever. And everybody knows that crinkly stiff glove stinks. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Likes it. You can't do with

Speaker 3:

It. Yeah. Nobody likes it. You know? So that's kind of when I came up with the idea and then after that round I was like, oh man, you know, there should be something that I could have kept this glove a little better, longer. Like if I didn't just jam it into the bag or whatever, I would've probably been able to play with it. And um, so I really, you know, didn't find anything that I thought was really good. They had this one, like plastic hand kind of shaper. That's kind of flat. I think they call the glove shaper or something. Um, I should, it's my competitor. I should. It's the glove shaper. And uh, so that's when I started get that's when I had the idea and then I talked about it for another two years and my wife finally said, stop talk either. Do it or stop talking about it. Just, I don't want to hear about it anymore. What a great idea you think this can be shoe tree for your glove, this hand tree idea, just either do it or don't. So I started doing it and then we kind of launched it in 2017, 2018 long process, you know, getting the injection molding, getting it designed and uh, the good fortune that I ran into throughout the process. I wished that on any entrepreneur that they could have the sequence of events that happened for me to get a product that is, you know, that's, that's on market right now.

Speaker 2:

It's about timing too, right? Like what you were saying, we taught the first time, like just things were happening for a reason, right? Like the connections you would make would like bridge that gap and then the next connection you made bridge that gap. And it's like, you know, it's not a straight arrow, but it's like, what times when you, I wouldn't call it adversity, but like having to like figure it out. Right? Like that things just work out, you know? Yeah. When you just put it out there and you try to, you know, like you were saying, like when you did the initial prototype, right. Like finding the people to help you, like what are the odds of that, right. Essentially like, right.

Speaker 3:

Um, yeah. I'm at the entrepreneurial center in Nashville one day and guy sees me futzing around on a 3d printer and he's like, Hey, what are you trying to do? And I'm like, Hey, I'm trying to make a prototype of this. He's like, oh, what is that? And I said, well, I call it glove last, but it really isn't anything yet. And I it's gonna be like for your, for your gloves, you know, for your golf glove. And he was like, Ooh, that's a good idea. That doesn't exist right now. He said, no, not really. Not in the shape of a hand. It doesn't. And he is like, well, my company does that really? They ended up being the people that designed the product that's on the market today. Yeah. It's crazy. Just bumped in, just bumped into'em. Yeah. It's

Speaker 2:

Like nuts. That happens a lot too is like you, I think when you put it out there and you're doing it, like, you don't know when it's gonna hit. Right. Like you just don't like in your mind, you know, you hope and pray and you're like, I think I'm doing the right thing. I think it's gonna hit at some point, but you never know when that's gonna be. Right. But you don't know who you talk to and be like, oh, I'm that guy, you know? I mean, that's what

Speaker 3:

I love too. Put it, put it out there, right? Like just let people know kind of, Hey, this is where I'm at. This is what I'm trying to do, you know, you know, just like, be about what you're trying to get accomplished. It's a great little phrase. Right? Just put it out there.

Speaker 2:

Just put it out there. I mean, I, I think like people get afraid to do that. Like they, they think like I have to have all this set up before I do that or I have to do whatever and it's like, you just have to go do it because what you think, where you're at now, where you end up being maybe two different places, but you had to like at least figure out how to that journey to get there. But I think it's so cool about what you're doing. I mean, so I guess before I get to that, like explain how the glove lasts worked. If you have an example or

Speaker 3:

Anything. I, I do. I do. Hold on one sec. All right. So basically this is our re this is our retail package. So this is, yeah, this is the university of Florida. So we've got some collegiate we're we're collegiately licensed. So basically

Speaker 2:

That's what I wanna say too. Adam is a smart, smart, smart dude. Like, like, honestly, there's very few brands that I know that are licensed with anybody. Right.

Speaker 3:

We we've got the PGA tour as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Like, like it's crazy. Cuz when I first met Adam, like he had the PGA tour, I'm like, how in the hell this guy get PGA tour. Right? Like you like, whoa, it's not like he's a lot of people doing like knockoffs and crap like that or like yeah. Edit. But no. And then, then I start talking to him and he is like, oh yeah, I have all these colleges too. And I'm like, what the hell man? Like, how do you do like, I that's a Testament to Adam because that's a hard process and it's, but it's so forward thinking because like with any a product, if you can get that licensing deal, it it's good for protection. Right?

Speaker 3:

Yeah. It's good for protection for sure. And, and it's good for buy-in sales. Right? Sales are good, but it's really good for the buy-in you know, that that's what was really good about the, the PGA tour, you know? Cause I

Speaker 2:

Was that your first

Speaker 3:

Deal tour PGA tour was. Yeah. Yep. I see. And so we just got the collegiate license in December. Here's the university of Florida. This is the orange one. Pretty cool. Yeah. That's cool. And basically after you're, after you're done playing you take your glove, you throw it on there and then you just hang it from your bag. That's it.

Speaker 2:

And it doesn't get all crinkly and I mean, it dries out, but it's not gonna be like, it's gonna be like

Speaker 3:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Flush and flat and like

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. And it it's kind the same, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, you know, you got your, you know, just hanging from your bag. I, and you'll always know where your glove is because if you like, you look at your bag and you don't see your glove kind of like me, uh, when I had it VE what

Speaker 2:

I love about what you're doing Adam seriously is like, it's a cool product. Number one, like it's, it's a smart product, but two it's like you coupled that with like the licensing. And it's like, now that you've kind of gotten the pat the pattern down, like how to do it, it's like it, the, the there's I honest to God, I only know about, of about maybe two or three brands that have licensing deals, like legit licensing deals. I mean, right on the top of my head, you G-Tech has licensing. Like that's like next level business stuff, like in my mind, because it's easy to just come up with something it's not easy, but it's like, you're able to design something, sell it, make a, whatever it is. But then like to actually get the buy in from a, the NCAA or through a college or through

Speaker 3:

And people, you know, they they've got, yeah. And they've got certain stuff they identify with, you know, like I've got a real, like, this is the, the John Deere. This is our yellow John Deere one, you know? And I, you don't have, I can tell you, you know, at my Arizona customers and my California customers, they're not buying my John Deere, but you know, who is my Iowa customers, my Minnesota customers, my, some of my Illinois customers, you know, they'll, you know, and so same thing with the waste management, Phoenix open, those are my Arizona, California people, they buy the waste ma you know, and then the regular PGA tour logo is kind of all over, you know, kind of all over the country. Um, you know, so it's, I appreciate you saying it was forward thinking. It was big

Speaker 2:

Time, big time

Speaker 3:

Kind of there's doesn't coming out

Speaker 2:

That it's not easy. Cause it's like it costs time and money to get that licensing deal. Yeah. Right. It's almost like, it's like the guy that invents something and just go sells it without getting a patent. Right. Right. And then it's like, then two years later everyone's copying him. He's all off. Right, right. That's who that guy, that's the next, the first level. And then the next level is like, okay, I'm selling my stuff. I'm protected. And then the next level is the licensing. If you get a licensing deal, like that's golden. I mean,

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So now, you know, we're in the process of trying to get it into the, you know, the bookstores and you know, all the other, you know, the on campus bookstores and, and all that stuff. And you know, some of the retail stuff is still COVID hangover. You know, a lot of the big box, they still have extra retail. So hopefully we'll, we'll be in there soon, but we're getting some pro shops that are starting to carry, you know, not only putting their own brand, you know, cuz we can put any logo we want. So it's a good item as swag giveaway at a golf outing and stuff like that. You've got tournament. Yeah. Yeah. Golf tournaments. Great. Great. We do a lot of, a lot of that business. Um, but you know, local pro shops because people, especially from like around here, they'll buy the Tennessee, they'll buy the Florida, the Alabama, the Auburn. Yeah. You

Speaker 2:

Don't even have the logo for like Tennessee is for, for example. But you could have like a college team in that state. Like, you know, like, I mean Arizona, we have like really two colleges. We have three, but I don't count one of them, but

Speaker 3:

Right. I've got, I've got Arizona and Arizona state. They're two of our, the two

Speaker 2:

Big ones. Right? So like two that, every golf course in Arizona, right? Every golf pro shop, like they're gonna buy it cuz someone's gonna buy it guarantee someone's gonna buy it. Like those are two because colleges in the state, you know, and it's like, it's just brilliant. You know? I mean you gotta pick the big boys in each state, essentially if you're gonna do it right. The bigger schools, not like some, because it costs money. It's like, you know, so it's almost like, I don't know. I, I think it's so smart when I saw that I was like, dude,

Speaker 3:

What the hell is? It was a tough, it was a tough call because I had a lot of people giving me advice saying start with smaller schools. And I was thinking, why you gotta start with the, the big schools. Right? Alabama, people love Alabama. They love that logo. So why,

Speaker 2:

So one of our, one of our listeners is on the cha like big cat. He's asking. He's like, what about university of Michigan or Michigan state?

Speaker 3:

Do you have? Okay, so we've applied for Michigan. We're waiting to hear from Michigan. And uh, it's a slower process, but we have applied for the university of Michigan. Michigan state is in our next batch with Georgia, USC and Stanford. So yeah. Give

Speaker 2:

Me a year, give it a year. You gonna, like, all these colleges locked out.

Speaker 3:

Is he is big cat as Sparty or is he a Wolverine?

Speaker 2:

I don't know. Answer the question. Big cat. Are you one of those? He's like, oh, either I like Purdue. The

Speaker 3:

Real, oh, he's a Purdue guy.

Speaker 2:

No, I was totally messing around. He was not saying he just,

Speaker 3:

I was gonna

Speaker 2:

Say like, I'll show you the question. There is the question, but um,

Speaker 3:

Well, no, I mean can, how can I get, how can I get big cat's address? Tell big cat to uh, ping. Ping me on Instagram. He

Speaker 2:

Said Wolverines here. He did

Speaker 3:

Send Wolverines. OK. I, I can't send him a Wolverine cause we don't have the license, but tell him to ping me on Instagram and tell him to tell me which two he wants and I'll send it to him

Speaker 2:

For free big CAD. You hear that? Reach out to, uh, Adam on Instagram.

Speaker 3:

Look big two. Make sure you tell me if you're make sure you tell me if you want a left hand or a right hand.

Speaker 2:

He just, there you go. There's an off right there. You need to do a big hand. Watch you like a thousand people saying they're big cat. So watch out.

Speaker 3:

<laugh>

Speaker 2:

I'm gonna, I'm gonna like I'm I'm gonna like do it through my golfers authority. Instagram be like, hi, I'm big cat. And you're like, shut up, Paul, get outta here.

Speaker 3:

<laugh><laugh> big cat. Always good. The big cat. I love that big elto Grande in Spanish. Paul.

Speaker 2:

I think it's smart. I think it's really cool that you're doing both of like to get the college licensing and uh, you know, no one's doing that, man. Just brilliant. Just brilliant.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. No it's it's good stuff. It's good stuff. I'm ex I'm excited about, you know, I'm just excited about getting into the, the retail, you know, like just the thought of, you know, I I've done it with pro shops and stuff, but I haven't walked into and sporting goods and golf galaxy carry it online. It's not the same fanatics carries it online. It's cool to see it right on their platforms. But the day that I could walk into like a PGA Superstore and see it on a hook or see it, you know, on display at that. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

There're gonna be like certain times in your business career. Right. Where you gonna see that or like a guy in the tour has it. And you're like, holy. Like we're gonna see that on some picture. Like, you're like, wait a minute. Is that my product? Like, you know, like, right. You know, like I think those are like the little things in life where you're like, it's kind

Speaker 3:

Went nuts last year on the internet. I was, I was in Hilton head last year and I saw somebody with one hanging on their back. It was, it was awesome. And then I was playing golf. I'm gonna say it was right before it kind of got cold here. So kind of like late October, maybe playing some golf and guy has it hanging from his bag. We were trying to finish up the round. He was on the 18th tee box and we came up, we got done on 17 and we pull up and it was a threesome and we had three and he was like, Hey man, you guys wanna finish up with us? You know, we're trying to beat the daylight kind of thing. And I walk up, I get outta my cart and I see it on one. And I said, Hey, which one of you guys, you know, which one of you guys has this? I'm like, what is this? And the guy goes, oh man, that's glove last. I bought it on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. It's pretty cool, man. You put your glove on it. It keeps it fresh. And I'm like, oh, you like the product? Huh? He said, yeah. And my buddy goes, he invented it. And he's like, oh, no way. And he's like, no, really look at his bag. You know? And I've got like five of them and I always keep him in my bag. So I was giving him away like candy and uh, it, that was pretty cool. Yeah. That was cool.

Speaker 2:

That's super cool. Yeah. Well I love, I think love last is cool as hell. It's a cool invention. I think it's cool that like you've grown up to where it is in such a short amount of time and you already have licensing deals. Like it's kind of an endless product because it's such a big piece of real estate that people can just see and be like, oh's Tennessee. Like the guy from Tennessee would see like, oh yeah, I want that. Or the Gator or like whatever. And I think it's smart because it's just another way of people identifying like who they are. Right. They're yeah. And it's a functional product. That's really cool. So I'm really, I, like I said, I liked it a year ago and I, I like you. So I think it's cool.

Speaker 3:

Um, man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:

Where can people find glove last

Speaker 3:

That's last. So we are, yeah. So just at glove last, uh, Instagram, Facebook, you can find us on Twitter at glove last and our e-commerce site is glove last golf.com. And we also have, you know, our products are listed on Amazon you can find us on fanatics and you're obviously yours, um, golf Legion. Um, so we have,

Speaker 2:

But it's okay.

Speaker 3:

No,

Speaker 2:

I mean it's Legion golf, bro.

Speaker 3:

Legion golf. Okay.

Speaker 2:

Adam's not allowed back on the show.

Speaker 3:

I'm dyslexic. Can you cut me last?

Speaker 2:

Love you. Try out last love last Love's

Speaker 3:

The best.<laugh>

Speaker 2:

That's good. That's the last stuff you ever gonna buy<laugh> um,

Speaker 3:

So yeah, so you know, so, but really, you know, we're, we're always looking for, for more followers, you know, people that follow us, we do stuff all the time. During different events, we'll be doing a big thing on the masters. Like just giveaways. Like you don't even have to, you know, follow us and share stuff. And you know, we're trying to, we're trying to do it like you're doing it, you know, just run fun stuff, have cool engaging stuff, give some product away, get it out there. Have people have people use it, but you can find us anywhere just at glove last.

Speaker 2:

Awesome. Well thank you for being on the show. I appreciate you being here today. I appreciate the friendship we've made over the last year.

Speaker 3:

Oh man. I appreciate

Speaker 2:

Support Adam. It's really cool. What he is doing. He is a good dude, as you can tell and uh, be sure to check out last glove. I mean glove last.com. Oh man. I love<laugh> you dyslexic guy. You can tell we're we could tell we're friends. I can talk crap. You rip

Speaker 3:

The dyslexic guy is that that's not even dyslexia. When you say something backwards, right? There's another word

Speaker 2:

I could care less.

Speaker 3:

There's another word for it though. Isn't there?

Speaker 2:

I don't know. You, you guy who went to Princeton, not me.

Speaker 3:

Um, I didn't go to Princeton. I'm a state school guy.

Speaker 2:

You went to, you've been Princeton more times than I have

Speaker 3:

Been. Not much rubbed off at Princeton. Trust me. Not much.

Speaker 2:

That's funny, but yeah, A's great, dude. You guys gotta check it out. Um, and I support him support what they're doing at glove last and I'll see you guys in the next episode.

Speaker 3:

Appreciate you.

Speaker 1:

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